Hunters begin another season of recklessness

Penny Little argues that legislation needs tightening if foxhunters and others are not to continue to flout the law which banned their bloodthirsty pursuits

by Tribune Web Editor
Tuesday, December 2nd, 2008

Penny Little argues that legislation needs tightening if foxhunters and others are not to continue to flout the law which banned their bloodthirsty pursuits

THE Collins Dictionary defines “reckless” as “having or showing no regard for danger or consequences”. A reckless driver would suffer the consequences if his or her actions resulted in injury to others and a reckless person in charge of dogs would have to suffer the consequences if those dogs attacked someone. No doubt, those guilty of such offences would say that they did not intend to cause harm. However, their reckless behaviour and their irresponsibility would be punished regardless. We all know this and live with it as part of the normal workings of the law of the land.

But if you are a foxhunter in this country, where hunting has been illegal since 2005, you need have no such qualms. This is because the Hunting Act does not include a reckless behaviour clause or contain those three magic words “cause or permit”, which are a feature of much other legislation.

Hunt monitors nationally have submitted many pieces of clear, filmed evidence of hounds chasing and killing foxes to the police. This evidence has been rejected by the Crown Prosecution Service, because the hunts have claimed the incidents were “accidents”.

As the foxhunts enter their fourth season since the Hunting Act came into force, the media is full of the hunters’ hubris. It is worth studying some of their claims.

In an article in the Daily Telegraph on October 30, the treasurer of the Exmoor Foxhounds said: “The art of the trail hunt is to replicate as much as possible an actual foxhunt. Four trail setters run across fields, through ditches and over hedgerows in an effort to mirror the movements of a hunted  animal.”

The article continued: “On the morning of today’s hunt, teams are out laying a number of trails and [the hunter] has only a slight idea where they will start and finish.”

Hunters claim to mimic the traditional foxhunt by laying a scent  through ditches and hedges – precisely where foxes are likely to be found. Surely, this is recklessness of a high order?

We further learn that the huntsman – the person actually in charge of a pack of around 40 unleashed dogs – has only a “slight idea” where these trails have been laid. So what if the hounds are running on cry, clearly hunting? Should they be stopped because they are onto a fox which they have found in these ditches and hedges? Or is it just a trail? The huntsman claims not to know. But this is utter recklessness, endangering not only the foxes, but also the general public, as hounds may career onto roads and into gardens after what proves to be – surprise, surprise – a fox.

Horse and Hound, the hunters’ bible, recently published an article entitled “What all huntsmen need to know”. In this, the huntsman with the Exmoor Foxhounds said: “Since the 2004 Hunting Act, I have to be confident before I leave the meet that I’ll have enough evidence to use in my favour should it be necessary to defend my actions in a court of law… A good way to end a line is to stuff the trail down a hole so hounds can ‘mark to ground’ at an old fox earth in much the same way as if a fox had been run to ground. Foxes will almost certainly be viewed on a day’s trailing and may be seen crossing or following a similar line to that of a trail before hounds arrive on the spot.”

We are told that a “trail” sometimes ends down a foxhole. It’s just tough luck if there happens to be a fox in it. Presumably it’s just another “accident”.

Readers of Horse and Hound were also informed that foxes dash around all over the place and actually run over the same area on which a trail has already been laid. It seems that not only are hunters reckless, but they claim that foxes can be, too.

In the Independent on Sunday on November 2, Julia Caffyn, master of the Southdown and Eridge Foxhunt said: “The whole thing is a farce…We ride according to the letter of the law, laying down a trail with a fox brush dipped in urine, but the law is unenforceable anyway.”

A “brush” is what foxhunters call a fox’s tail and the urine is a fox’s urine. This is no way to deter hounds from getting excited by a fox’s scent. Reckless? Of course it is. In the same article, an unidentified hunt regular from the north of England was quoted as saying: “Yes, foxes do get killed in the old way.”

The Master of Draghounds Association’s website defines the difference between drag hunting and “trail” hunting. Apparently: “Whereas most drag hunt lines start in open country at a known spot and follow a pre-determined route, trail hunting involves simulating the search in cover for a scent to follow.”

“Cover” means woods, maize fields, reeds and brambles. “Cover” is where foxes live. “Cover” has been where foxhunts have gone to find foxes since the practice began. “Cover” is not the place to lay a trail if you want to stop hounds finding foxes. But we are told that trails are laid in hedges, ditches, and fox holes. This is extreme recklessness.

It is worth noting that there is no known recorded incident of a genuine drag hunt being involved in an incident of “hunt havoc” – in other words, when hounds run riot over roads and so on – whereas such incidents since the ban which involve so-called trail hunts are numerous. (For details of these, see the Protect Our Wild Animals website on www.powa.org.uk)

There are two ways of looking at this. One is that trail hunting is a complete fiction used as a cover for illegal foxhunting, with the alleged similarities to foxhunting due to the fact that it is foxhunting. Hunt monitors are convinced this is the case.

The other option is to see that the practices of “trail” hunting as described by the hunters themselves are so utterly reckless that they are virtually certain to result in “accidents” – and many of them.

Either way, this outrageous situation can be resolved by amending the Hunting Act to ensure it deals with this reckless behaviour by making it an offence to “cause or permit a dog to hunt, attack, injure or kill a wild mammal”. That would remove the possibility of an accident being used as a defence and it would remove the need for intent to be proved in court.

It should be remembered that those who hunt hares also claim to lay a trail and any pursuit of hares is dismissed as the inevitable “accident”. Mink hunts can claim they set out to hunt rats (a preposterous defence, some may think) and that any mink pursued and killed by hounds was “accidental”.

When people pressed their MPs to ban hunting, they did not want a prohibition that would allow hunts to behave with such arrogance and deceit. They wanted the practice to be stopped, with genuine drag-hunting the only legal alternative.

At present, hunters as a group are behaving in a way that suggests they think they are above the law. They treat the law with utter contempt and seem to have a similar disregard for the democratic process that brought about the law.

It is time for MPs to revisit the legislation and make the small adjustment that would make the law fit for its purpose. Meanwhile, the proscribed quarry species continue to be hunted exactly as before the ban.

Penny Little is spokesperson for Protect Our Wild Animals

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  • Adam Wallace

    One question for Joanne Marriage. Do you even know what is meant by “Coppicing Woodland”? [Without resorting to Google].

    The hunting act is an absurdity, passed by a government who care not one jot for the views rural people because there are “no votes in the countryside”.

    It is supported by an urbanised population, who due to their unnatural seperation from all forms of country life want to treat all animals as if they were cuddly teddy bears. Those who object to hunting as “cruel” are the respectable end of the line that leads to the morons who released mink into our countryside for “animal liberation”, without any thought of how a North American carnivore lacking ANY natural predator, would decimate our wildlife.

    Reppeal this ridiculous Act, that is little more than Class War dressed up as “animal protection”, & defended by false statistics from those who know not what they talk about.

    That is amply shown by Joanne’s comments that non-lethal flushing out deer is stupid since they would be “tak[ing] there dogs into an area where there are likely to be pheasants?” -Game birds bred to be killed.

  • Adam Wallace

    One question for Joanne Marriage. Do you even know what is meant by “Coppicing Woodland”? [Without resorting to Google].

    The hunting act is an absurdity, passed by a government who care not one jot for the views rural people because there are “no votes in the countryside”.

    It is supported by an urbanised population, who due to their unnatural seperation from all forms of country life want to treat all animals as if they were cuddly teddy bears. Those who object to hunting as “cruel” are the respectable end of the line that leads to the morons who released mink into our countryside for “animal liberation”, without any thought of how a North American carnivore lacking ANY natural predator, would decimate our wildlife.

    Reppeal this ridiculous Act, that is little more than Class War dressed up as “animal protection”, & defended by false statistics from those who know not what they talk about.

    That is amply shown by Joanne’s comments that non-lethal flushing out deer is stupid since they would be “tak[ing] there dogs into an area where there are likely to be pheasants?” -Game birds bred to be killed.

  • Giles Bradshaw

    If we are to make it an offence to recklessly allow a dog to flush out or chase a deer why not also make it an offence to recklessly allow a cat to catch a mouse or a songbird.

    Millions of cat owners do this everyday and it results in carnage and suffering of wildlife on a huge scale. In the US cats kill over a billion birds a year. One assumes here it is in the 100 millions.

    Fox hounds kill a fox seconds after they have caught it. Cat’s often play with their prey for a n extended period.

    If this law is really aimed at protecting wildlife rather than persecuting a group of people why does it target a recklessless which at the most causes a few hundred humane deaths a year whereas it leaves unregulated a form of recklessness which causes massively more more gruesome and painful deaths.

    Let’s have legislation based on animal welfare and wildlife protection. Not petty small minded spiteful ignorance.

  • Giles Bradshaw

    If we are to make it an offence to recklessly allow a dog to flush out or chase a deer why not also make it an offence to recklessly allow a cat to catch a mouse or a songbird.

    Millions of cat owners do this everyday and it results in carnage and suffering of wildlife on a huge scale. In the US cats kill over a billion birds a year. One assumes here it is in the 100 millions.

    Fox hounds kill a fox seconds after they have caught it. Cat’s often play with their prey for a n extended period.

    If this law is really aimed at protecting wildlife rather than persecuting a group of people why does it target a recklessless which at the most causes a few hundred humane deaths a year whereas it leaves unregulated a form of recklessness which causes massively more more gruesome and painful deaths.

    Let’s have legislation based on animal welfare and wildlife protection. Not petty small minded spiteful ignorance.

  • Giles Bradshaw

    If we are to make it an offence to recklessly allow a dog to flush out or chase a deer why not also make it an offence to recklessly allow a cat to catch a mouse or a songbird.

    Millions of cat owners do this everyday and it results in carnage and suffering of wildlife on a huge scale. In the US cats kill over a billion birds a year. One assumes here it is in the 100 millions.

    Fox hounds kill a fox seconds after they have caught it. Cat’s often play with their prey for a n extended period.

    If this law is really aimed at protecting wildlife rather than persecuting a group of people why does it target a recklessless which at the most causes a few hundred humane deaths a year whereas it leaves unregulated a form of recklessness which causes massively more more gruesome and painful deaths.

    Let’s have legislation based on animal welfare and wildlife protection. Not petty small minded spiteful ignorance.

  • Giles Bradshaw

    And here is Penny Little writing in the Western Daily Press:

    “My response to the hunters’ desperate spinning of the absolutely predictable calls to strengthen the Hunting Act is to ask them to please be quiet, as the grown-ups are talking”

    I find it incredible that Penny masquerades as a grown up when in fact when her only response to people attempting to debate her position is to tell them to be quiet.

    If the law needs to be changed as it clearly does then in a civilised and democratic society one would expect a rational debate to be held where all views can be carefully considered.

    Not so with the Hunting Debate which produced bad law precisely because one side refused to listen to the other when it was told again and again that the law was flawed.

  • Giles Bradshaw

    And here is Penny Little writing in the Western Daily Press:

    “My response to the hunters’ desperate spinning of the absolutely predictable calls to strengthen the Hunting Act is to ask them to please be quiet, as the grown-ups are talking”

    I find it incredible that Penny masquerades as a grown up when in fact when her only response to people attempting to debate her position is to tell them to be quiet.

    If the law needs to be changed as it clearly does then in a civilised and democratic society one would expect a rational debate to be held where all views can be carefully considered.

    Not so with the Hunting Debate which produced bad law precisely because one side refused to listen to the other when it was told again and again that the law was flawed.

  • Giles Bradshaw

    And here is Penny Little writing in the Western Daily Press:

    “My response to the hunters’ desperate spinning of the absolutely predictable calls to strengthen the Hunting Act is to ask them to please be quiet, as the grown-ups are talking”

    I find it incredible that Penny masquerades as a grown up when in fact when her only response to people attempting to debate her position is to tell them to be quiet.

    If the law needs to be changed as it clearly does then in a civilised and democratic society one would expect a rational debate to be held where all views can be carefully considered.

    Not so with the Hunting Debate which produced bad law precisely because one side refused to listen to the other when it was told again and again that the law was flawed.

  • Peace & Goodwill

    Sheeesh more drivel from Bradshaw and the CONSERVATIVE COUNTRYSIDE ALLIANCE webwatch team..

    Tory voting Cameron’s Crew!

    Yawn! For all those Tribune readers out there… THIS IS GILES BRADSHAW’S… YAWN.. BORING TEDIOUS DRIVEL RIVEN MODUS OPERANDI!

    He allegedly also operates under aliases so.. it wouldnt surprise me if he’s written the lot!

    He befriends animal welfare people, politicians & more sinisterly their ***!!!family members!!!!**** then fill’s their mailboxes with drivel.. That is little short of stalking!

    The man clearly has no life ! Hence his lack of respect for the sanctity of life!

    Funny thing is.. He is clearly ignorant of Penny Little!!!

    Hahhhahha .. thus.. if nothing else.. he has given some post Boxing Day amusement here!

    But anyone out there considering responding who is not a Bradshaw alter ego.. Don’t bother!

    If I was moderating this page and based on Bradshaw’s previous form of stalking people via the internet I would pull ALL comments from this page…….

    And if pro Blood Sport Labour people such as Baroness Mallalieu / Kate Hoey want to submit their views to Trib then let that be the way forward with this issue

  • Peace & Goodwill

    Sheeesh more drivel from Bradshaw and the CONSERVATIVE COUNTRYSIDE ALLIANCE webwatch team..

    Tory voting Cameron’s Crew!

    Yawn! For all those Tribune readers out there… THIS IS GILES BRADSHAW’S… YAWN.. BORING TEDIOUS DRIVEL RIVEN MODUS OPERANDI!

    He allegedly also operates under aliases so.. it wouldnt surprise me if he’s written the lot!

    He befriends animal welfare people, politicians & more sinisterly their ***!!!family members!!!!**** then fill’s their mailboxes with drivel.. That is little short of stalking!

    The man clearly has no life ! Hence his lack of respect for the sanctity of life!

    Funny thing is.. He is clearly ignorant of Penny Little!!!

    Hahhhahha .. thus.. if nothing else.. he has given some post Boxing Day amusement here!

    But anyone out there considering responding who is not a Bradshaw alter ego.. Don’t bother!

    If I was moderating this page and based on Bradshaw’s previous form of stalking people via the internet I would pull ALL comments from this page…….

    And if pro Blood Sport Labour people such as Baroness Mallalieu / Kate Hoey want to submit their views to Trib then let that be the way forward with this issue

  • Peace & Goodwill

    Sheeesh more drivel from Bradshaw and the CONSERVATIVE COUNTRYSIDE ALLIANCE webwatch team..

    Tory voting Cameron’s Crew!

    Yawn! For all those Tribune readers out there… THIS IS GILES BRADSHAW’S… YAWN.. BORING TEDIOUS DRIVEL RIVEN MODUS OPERANDI!

    He allegedly also operates under aliases so.. it wouldnt surprise me if he’s written the lot!

    He befriends animal welfare people, politicians & more sinisterly their ***!!!family members!!!!**** then fill’s their mailboxes with drivel.. That is little short of stalking!

    The man clearly has no life ! Hence his lack of respect for the sanctity of life!

    Funny thing is.. He is clearly ignorant of Penny Little!!!

    Hahhhahha .. thus.. if nothing else.. he has given some post Boxing Day amusement here!

    But anyone out there considering responding who is not a Bradshaw alter ego.. Don’t bother!

    If I was moderating this page and based on Bradshaw’s previous form of stalking people via the internet I would pull ALL comments from this page…….

    And if pro Blood Sport Labour people such as Baroness Mallalieu / Kate Hoey want to submit their views to Trib then let that be the way forward with this issue

  • Rosie

    What people like Giles Bradshaw do not seem to realise is that predation of one animal on another is not always a ‘normal part of nature’, particularly when he and others have bred dogs specifically for hunting etc over the years and caused them to be here when they wouldn’t have been otherwise.

    His predecessors killed all our wolves and much other native wildlife.

    It’s also not natural to farm livestock, as Mr Bradshaw does. I don’t know which animals he farms, but drinking the milk of another species, which is meant for their young, not us as adults isn’t natural. Nor is killing cows to eat their flesh – I’d like to see him try taking one down with his bare hands!

    So any appeals to ‘nature’ are null and void for a farmer. Not to mention the fact that it seems illogical to care about dogs and have an affinity with deer, but be happy to oppress, abuse and kill whichever animal he farms.

    And not all dogs chase other animals. Fact. So if you can’t keep verbal control of yours, then yes, they should be kept on a lead in public. Just as people should stop breeding cats, as they are indeed a serious threat to native wildlife in every country they now inhabit.

  • Rosie

    What people like Giles Bradshaw do not seem to realise is that predation of one animal on another is not always a ‘normal part of nature’, particularly when he and others have bred dogs specifically for hunting etc over the years and caused them to be here when they wouldn’t have been otherwise.

    His predecessors killed all our wolves and much other native wildlife.

    It’s also not natural to farm livestock, as Mr Bradshaw does. I don’t know which animals he farms, but drinking the milk of another species, which is meant for their young, not us as adults isn’t natural. Nor is killing cows to eat their flesh – I’d like to see him try taking one down with his bare hands!

    So any appeals to ‘nature’ are null and void for a farmer. Not to mention the fact that it seems illogical to care about dogs and have an affinity with deer, but be happy to oppress, abuse and kill whichever animal he farms.

    And not all dogs chase other animals. Fact. So if you can’t keep verbal control of yours, then yes, they should be kept on a lead in public. Just as people should stop breeding cats, as they are indeed a serious threat to native wildlife in every country they now inhabit.

  • Rosie

    What people like Giles Bradshaw do not seem to realise is that predation of one animal on another is not always a ‘normal part of nature’, particularly when he and others have bred dogs specifically for hunting etc over the years and caused them to be here when they wouldn’t have been otherwise.

    His predecessors killed all our wolves and much other native wildlife.

    It’s also not natural to farm livestock, as Mr Bradshaw does. I don’t know which animals he farms, but drinking the milk of another species, which is meant for their young, not us as adults isn’t natural. Nor is killing cows to eat their flesh – I’d like to see him try taking one down with his bare hands!

    So any appeals to ‘nature’ are null and void for a farmer. Not to mention the fact that it seems illogical to care about dogs and have an affinity with deer, but be happy to oppress, abuse and kill whichever animal he farms.

    And not all dogs chase other animals. Fact. So if you can’t keep verbal control of yours, then yes, they should be kept on a lead in public. Just as people should stop breeding cats, as they are indeed a serious threat to native wildlife in every country they now inhabit.