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Cllr Fred Barns of Thames Ward, London Borough of Barking & Dagenham was kicked off of the short-list for Thames Ward for the 2010 local elections, by the casting vote of the Chair of Thames Ward – George Shaw. Even though the rules say that a sitting councillor is automatically included in a short-list, and that a Chair does not have a casting vote!!!

Cllr Fred Barns of Thames Ward, London Borough of Barking & Dagenham was kicked off of the short-list for Thames Ward for the 2010 local elections, by the casting vote of the Chair of Thames Ward – George Shaw. Even though the rules say that a sitting councillor is automatically included in a short-list, and that a Chair does not have a casting vote!!!

Thats not going to stop Labour rules are for breaking according to them….

Thats not going to stop Labour rules are for breaking according to them….

why are mps so corrupt

why are mps so corrupt

The MP is also blamed for alleged misconduct at Barking CLP’s annual general meeting of 2007, branded a “shambles” by two separate sources. They say that non-Labour Party members were allowed into the meeting but other Labour members were barred and that Ms Hodge’s staff instructed delegates how to vote. Delegates complained to London Labour Party.
VERY UNFAIR SACK THE LOT OF THEM

The MP is also blamed for alleged misconduct at Barking CLP’s annual general meeting of 2007, branded a “shambles” by two separate sources. They say that non-Labour Party members were allowed into the meeting but other Labour members were barred and that Ms Hodge’s staff instructed delegates how to vote. Delegates complained to London Labour Party.
VERY UNFAIR SACK THE LOT OF THEM

Its a shame that people fail to recongise that its the same councilors who failed in their duties to the local community which let the BNP in, in the first place. As a resident in Barking and Dagenham I would say that Margaret Hodge MP deserves a lot of credit for the work and support she gives the local labour party in their fight against the BNP without her and the countless volunteers from our community then we would be looking at a BNP Council come the next election and that would be a real shame on all of us. Maybe those who claim to be fighting the BNP should be putting their effort into doing work on the gound rather then bad mouthing the Labour Party.

Its a shame that people fail to recongise that its the same councilors who failed in their duties to the local community which let the BNP in, in the first place. As a resident in Barking and Dagenham I would say that Margaret Hodge MP deserves a lot of credit for the work and support she gives the local labour party in their fight against the BNP without her and the countless volunteers from our community then we would be looking at a BNP Council come the next election and that would be a real shame on all of us. Maybe those who claim to be fighting the BNP should be putting their effort into doing work on the gound rather then bad mouthing the Labour Party.

Thursdays meeting for the selection of candidates for councillors was a disgrace. There was a fly in the camp, and we all know who. It is thought he deliberately fouled his voting paper so that the Chair had the casting vote.
This allowed for Fred Barnes, hated by the chair, but the most popular candidate for Thames View, to be eliminated. Personal vendettas were used at this meeting, and this should not be allowed. The welfare of the Ward should have been paramount, not the satisfaction of an old feud.

It smacks of corruption and dirty fighting by people who should know better.

Thursdays meeting for the selection of candidates for councillors was a disgrace. There was a fly in the camp, and we all know who. It is thought he deliberately fouled his voting paper so that the Chair had the casting vote.
This allowed for Fred Barnes, hated by the chair, but the most popular candidate for Thames View, to be eliminated. Personal vendettas were used at this meeting, and this should not be allowed. The welfare of the Ward should have been paramount, not the satisfaction of an old feud.

It smacks of corruption and dirty fighting by people who should know better.

On reading the article and then the comments, it appears that Ms Hodge only has one supporter, and that begs the question why?

Mr Singh states that Ms Hodge should be congratualted for the support she gives the Barking party, well thats one way of looking at it, certainly not the view of national papers on looking at her expenses.

And perhaps Mr Singh needs to be reminded that the comments made by Ms Hodge just days before the 2006 elections were very very damaging to Labour councillors.

On looking through the local election votes in 2006 I note with interest the votes cast for the members named in your article, it looks to me as though their voters are very happy with them, and thats what counts Mr Ashley Singh the people who put their cross on the ballot paper, not what the MP wants or the corrupt bunch of people that now claim they are going to solve all the problems.

Give it a rest, if they get elected just wait for the trouble to start.

On reading the article and then the comments, it appears that Ms Hodge only has one supporter, and that begs the question why?

Mr Singh states that Ms Hodge should be congratualted for the support she gives the Barking party, well thats one way of looking at it, certainly not the view of national papers on looking at her expenses.

And perhaps Mr Singh needs to be reminded that the comments made by Ms Hodge just days before the 2006 elections were very very damaging to Labour councillors.

On looking through the local election votes in 2006 I note with interest the votes cast for the members named in your article, it looks to me as though their voters are very happy with them, and thats what counts Mr Ashley Singh the people who put their cross on the ballot paper, not what the MP wants or the corrupt bunch of people that now claim they are going to solve all the problems.

Give it a rest, if they get elected just wait for the trouble to start.

I have heard from a number of people from the London Labour Party regional board that conducted the panel, that most of the unsuccessful candidates were unable to answer even the most basic questions, such as what is the role of a councillor and what services does a council provide to local people etc…

I know that Margaret Hodge has actively tried to involve all sitting Labour councillors in the work she does. They are always invited to events that Margaret hold in the wards they represent. It is telling that the deselected Councillors are the ones who continually refused to attend and meet with local residents and in some cases actively campaign against the Labour MP.

You can not blame Margaret Hodge for the result in 2006, you can blame the lazy councillors who had done little in their local area over the previous 4 years. Some of these people have now done nothing since in the campaign against the BNP.

I understand that Barking Labour Party has been out every weekend campaigning for the past 2 years and Margaret Hodge has been to most of these canvasses even though her late husband was terminally ill for most of this time and whilst Margaret would always endeavour to attend, she has never been joined by Val Rush when she has been out in Gascoigne or by Fred Barns when she has been out in Thames.

Some people in Barking Labour Party need to grow up, accept the result and get behind the candidates that will be chosen over the next few months or put their money where they mouth is!

I have heard from a number of people from the London Labour Party regional board that conducted the panel, that most of the unsuccessful candidates were unable to answer even the most basic questions, such as what is the role of a councillor and what services does a council provide to local people etc…

I know that Margaret Hodge has actively tried to involve all sitting Labour councillors in the work she does. They are always invited to events that Margaret hold in the wards they represent. It is telling that the deselected Councillors are the ones who continually refused to attend and meet with local residents and in some cases actively campaign against the Labour MP.

You can not blame Margaret Hodge for the result in 2006, you can blame the lazy councillors who had done little in their local area over the previous 4 years. Some of these people have now done nothing since in the campaign against the BNP.

I understand that Barking Labour Party has been out every weekend campaigning for the past 2 years and Margaret Hodge has been to most of these canvasses even though her late husband was terminally ill for most of this time and whilst Margaret would always endeavour to attend, she has never been joined by Val Rush when she has been out in Gascoigne or by Fred Barns when she has been out in Thames.

Some people in Barking Labour Party need to grow up, accept the result and get behind the candidates that will be chosen over the next few months or put their money where they mouth is!

I cannot comment on who or what Mr Alf Moore has learned from members of the London Regional Board but what he does say causes me and should cause everyone great concern. If as Mr Moore has indicated persons who did the interviews have been gossiping with all and sundry then this is a major breach in confidentiality and should be tackled at the highest level within the Labour Party and I certainly hope it is. Because I and many others who have read these comments believe them to be slander.

Mr Moore seems to think that just going out once a week knocking on doors is going to do the trick, when is he and others going to realise that people like the councillors he has named and others who have been deselected because they were on a hit list, work in their wards 7 days a week, not just one morning at the weekend.

And anyway Mr Moore its the residents who elect their Councillors not so called party officials and I think you will find that out as the time goes on.

I cannot comment on who or what Mr Alf Moore has learned from members of the London Regional Board but what he does say causes me and should cause everyone great concern. If as Mr Moore has indicated persons who did the interviews have been gossiping with all and sundry then this is a major breach in confidentiality and should be tackled at the highest level within the Labour Party and I certainly hope it is. Because I and many others who have read these comments believe them to be slander.

Mr Moore seems to think that just going out once a week knocking on doors is going to do the trick, when is he and others going to realise that people like the councillors he has named and others who have been deselected because they were on a hit list, work in their wards 7 days a week, not just one morning at the weekend.

And anyway Mr Moore its the residents who elect their Councillors not so called party officials and I think you will find that out as the time goes on.

What a disappointing state of affairs. Fred Barns is a true Barking man who supports everyone on Thames Ward and thankfully has lots of local support. What a shame that one sad mans vendetta in this ward is stopping the residents getting the candidate they really want. I think George Shaw needs to think long and hard about his involvement and who the local councillor is there for ie not as his lap dog but for all residents. The local Labour Party in Barking needs to think to the future and not George look back to your day because thats gone. Let the residents have the candidates they want at the next election as it is going to be tough enough,times have changed people want Fred get used to it and let your vendetta go.

What a disappointing state of affairs. Fred Barns is a true Barking man who supports everyone on Thames Ward and thankfully has lots of local support. What a shame that one sad mans vendetta in this ward is stopping the residents getting the candidate they really want. I think George Shaw needs to think long and hard about his involvement and who the local councillor is there for ie not as his lap dog but for all residents. The local Labour Party in Barking needs to think to the future and not George look back to your day because thats gone. Let the residents have the candidates they want at the next election as it is going to be tough enough,times have changed people want Fred get used to it and let your vendetta go.

I would like to point out to Alf Moore who claimes to have been given confidential information from the London Labour Party Regional Board. that I am shocked that such information had been divulged, but hey ho what has subsequently gone on in Cllr Barn’s selection means that I am not too surprised. Cllr. Barns was not one of those who could not answer basic questions, he was in fact turned down for being unable to do campaigning. On appeal that decision was over turned. Cllr Barns has campaigned together with M.Hodge MP and myself. We have recently delivered 1600 leaflets in Thames Ward, campaigned with M.Hodge in both Thames Ward and Vallence Ward, so please refrain from saying he does not work. Please note that he was Mayor 2007/08 and Deputy Mayor in 2008/09 when time was of an essence. During those years he never missed a surgery. So I suggest that you get your facts right before opening your mouth and letting in the BNP. If every Labour Cllr had the support enjoyed by Cllr Barns (proof of which can be seen by petitions and letters to the press) there would be no need for concern about the BNP or any other party. As for the discraceful short listing meeting which was chaired by Mr.George Shaw, the saga goes on. Watch this space. At the end of the day the people in Thames Ward will show their anger at the ballot box in 2010. God help us.

I would like to point out to Alf Moore who claimes to have been given confidential information from the London Labour Party Regional Board. that I am shocked that such information had been divulged, but hey ho what has subsequently gone on in Cllr Barn’s selection means that I am not too surprised. Cllr. Barns was not one of those who could not answer basic questions, he was in fact turned down for being unable to do campaigning. On appeal that decision was over turned. Cllr Barns has campaigned together with M.Hodge MP and myself. We have recently delivered 1600 leaflets in Thames Ward, campaigned with M.Hodge in both Thames Ward and Vallence Ward, so please refrain from saying he does not work. Please note that he was Mayor 2007/08 and Deputy Mayor in 2008/09 when time was of an essence. During those years he never missed a surgery. So I suggest that you get your facts right before opening your mouth and letting in the BNP. If every Labour Cllr had the support enjoyed by Cllr Barns (proof of which can be seen by petitions and letters to the press) there would be no need for concern about the BNP or any other party. As for the discraceful short listing meeting which was chaired by Mr.George Shaw, the saga goes on. Watch this space. At the end of the day the people in Thames Ward will show their anger at the ballot box in 2010. God help us.

Seems to me that Mr Moore is writing in a very agressive manner, and that could mean one of two things, either he is totally right in everything he has written or he is part of what appears to be a conspiaracy that looks to have been set up to get rid of what many have said to be hard working and trustworthy councillors.

In all my time in business I have always found that those who are in the right would put forward a calm and reasoned argument.

Those who are agressive and make comments such as the “need to grow up” and put their money where their mouth is” are usually the ones in my experience who are in the wrong, know they are in the wrong, but believe that if they shout loud and long enough people will believe them.

It is always better in my experience to behave in a calm and measured manner which appears to be the case of those who do not appear to agree with what has been done in Barking.

So if I had a vote in that borough I know who I would be voting for and it most certainly would not be M Hodge or any of the candidates she was backing.

Seems to me that Mr Moore is writing in a very agressive manner, and that could mean one of two things, either he is totally right in everything he has written or he is part of what appears to be a conspiaracy that looks to have been set up to get rid of what many have said to be hard working and trustworthy councillors.

In all my time in business I have always found that those who are in the right would put forward a calm and reasoned argument.

Those who are agressive and make comments such as the “need to grow up” and put their money where their mouth is” are usually the ones in my experience who are in the wrong, know they are in the wrong, but believe that if they shout loud and long enough people will believe them.

It is always better in my experience to behave in a calm and measured manner which appears to be the case of those who do not appear to agree with what has been done in Barking.

So if I had a vote in that borough I know who I would be voting for and it most certainly would not be M Hodge or any of the candidates she was backing.

As a resident of Thames Ward where Cllr Fred Barnes Serves I am appalled by the shabby way he has been teated,although I am not surprised.Personal matters should not be the issue but what Fred has done for all the residents on Thames Ward.Can someone please tell me why Ms.Hodge came door Knocking on my estate telling us she had 2 wonderful coucillors?and that was before Fred Barnes and Joan Rawlinson new they had been deselected.What a sad state of affairs when 1 man can do so much damage to the party he says he loves.count the votes at the next election!

I am sick of people who slaking off good councilors. we have some great councilors who do alot of hard work in the borough Barking and Dagenham and we of Thames ward can not do this without our cllr Barnes he is very good and hard working man. hard working and trustworthy councilor. so let the people make the choice who we want in our ward. not some aggressive people who hold grudges. SO COME ON FRED YOU HAVE MY VOTE

I am sick of people who slaking off good councilors. we have some great councilors who do alot of hard work in the borough Barking and Dagenham and we of Thames ward can not do this without our cllr Barnes he is very good and hard working man. hard working and trustworthy councilor. so let the people make the choice who we want in our ward. not some aggressive people who hold grudges. SO COME ON FRED YOU HAVE MY VOTE

Just thought I would pass on our thanks to M Hodge and her cronies, they have exceeded our wildest hopes, and by taking out the most popular, and the most hardworking councillors in Barking, and by also ensuring those they could not get rid of are made to go into new wards that we hold, they have done our job for us.

We will walk through Barking in the local elections, and some of the people close to M Hodge know this.

The so called leaders of Barking labour party really should be more careful who you trust, how do you think we could make announcements in the council chamber about deselections months before they had happened.

There is a lot to be said for keeping your friends close but your enemies closer, and you probably had no idea just how close your enimies were.

Just thought I would pass on our thanks to M Hodge and her cronies, they have exceeded our wildest hopes, and by taking out the most popular, and the most hardworking councillors in Barking, and by also ensuring those they could not get rid of are made to go into new wards that we hold, they have done our job for us.

We will walk through Barking in the local elections, and some of the people close to M Hodge know this.

The so called leaders of Barking labour party really should be more careful who you trust, how do you think we could make announcements in the council chamber about deselections months before they had happened.

There is a lot to be said for keeping your friends close but your enemies closer, and you probably had no idea just how close your enimies were.

Cllr Fred Barns of Thames Ward, London Borough of Barking & Dagenham was hounded off of the short-list for Thames Ward for the 2010 local elections, by the casting vote of the Chair of Thames Ward Labour party – Mr George Shaw. ( whom in my opinon is a venomous old codger who is full of hatred and has some form personal vendetta against Cllr Barns which has been clear for all to see over the last 2 years . Mr George Shaw has tried to manipulate members of the labour party in which way they vote against Cllr Barns) ,We all know the rules say that a sitting councillor is automatically included in a short-list, and that a Chair does not have a casting vote!!!

WHY DOES MR GEORGE SHAW GET THE FLOUT THE RULES ??????

IT SHOULD BE USE THE COUNCIL TAX PAYER & WHOM LIVE ON THAMES WARD THAT GET TO PICK THE SELECTION OF CANDIDATES WE KNOW WHO DOES ALL THE WORK IN THAMES WARD !!!!! AND I CAN TELL YOU KNOW IT’S NOT CLLR BARRY POULTON ………. WE HAVE LOST 2 EXCELLENT CLLR BEING CLLR FRED BARNS & CLLR JOAN RAWLINSON ……….. IS MS HODGE GOING TO LET MR GEORGE SHAW RUN THE LABOUR PARTY TO IT’S DEATH !?!?!?

THE LABOUR PARTY SEEMS TOBE SOMEWHAT RUNNING WITHOUT A LEADER !!!!!!! BECAUSE I AM STILL WAITING FOR OUR MP TO CONTACT ME SINCE 26th MAY WHEN I RECEIVED A LETTER FROM DOWING STREET SAYING SHE WOULD BE IN CONTACT ???? !!!!

REMEMBER YOU HAVE NOT HEARD THE LAST OF THIS

WE WANT OUR FRED !!!!!!!!!!

THAMES SUPPORT CLLR FRED BARNS …………. SACK CLLR BARRY POULTON OR GIVE HIM A JOB ON THE BINS ( COS HE ONLY TAKES COMPLAINTS ABOUT RUBBISH OR FLY TIPS! FACT! )!!!!!!

Cllr Fred Barns of Thames Ward, London Borough of Barking & Dagenham was hounded off of the short-list for Thames Ward for the 2010 local elections, by the casting vote of the Chair of Thames Ward Labour party – Mr George Shaw. ( whom in my opinon is a venomous old codger who is full of hatred and has some form personal vendetta against Cllr Barns which has been clear for all to see over the last 2 years . Mr George Shaw has tried to manipulate members of the labour party in which way they vote against Cllr Barns) ,We all know the rules say that a sitting councillor is automatically included in a short-list, and that a Chair does not have a casting vote!!!

WHY DOES MR GEORGE SHAW GET THE FLOUT THE RULES ??????

IT SHOULD BE USE THE COUNCIL TAX PAYER & WHOM LIVE ON THAMES WARD THAT GET TO PICK THE SELECTION OF CANDIDATES WE KNOW WHO DOES ALL THE WORK IN THAMES WARD !!!!! AND I CAN TELL YOU KNOW IT’S NOT CLLR BARRY POULTON ………. WE HAVE LOST 2 EXCELLENT CLLR BEING CLLR FRED BARNS & CLLR JOAN RAWLINSON ……….. IS MS HODGE GOING TO LET MR GEORGE SHAW RUN THE LABOUR PARTY TO IT’S DEATH !?!?!?

THE LABOUR PARTY SEEMS TOBE SOMEWHAT RUNNING WITHOUT A LEADER !!!!!!! BECAUSE I AM STILL WAITING FOR OUR MP TO CONTACT ME SINCE 26th MAY WHEN I RECEIVED A LETTER FROM DOWING STREET SAYING SHE WOULD BE IN CONTACT ???? !!!!

REMEMBER YOU HAVE NOT HEARD THE LAST OF THIS

WE WANT OUR FRED !!!!!!!!!!

THAMES SUPPORT CLLR FRED BARNS …………. SACK CLLR BARRY POULTON OR GIVE HIM A JOB ON THE BINS ( COS HE ONLY TAKES COMPLAINTS ABOUT RUBBISH OR FLY TIPS! FACT! )!!!!!!

Politics is a dirty business.

“Close Friend” (above) is obviously a BNP party member or supporter. Sad to say, he/she is right. Barking’s local Labour Party has played right into their hands, by paving the way for many residents to vote for them in the local elections next year. The dirty tricks campaign is alive and well and working from North Street. George Shaw should know better at his age. For a senior citizen, who was at one time a leading Council officer and a Mayor of this Borough to behave in such a nasty and spiteful manner is nothing short of disgusting and beggars belief. He ignored the rules, and used a personal hatred of Fred Barns to ruin the Thames Ward residents chances of keeping a concerned and caring Councillor to look after their interests.

Will these new candidates, who neither know the people or understand their problems, ever do any good for the ward? I don’t think so. I have been told that to see Barry Poulton, you must meet on his doorstep or at his garden gate, for the whole world to see, and possibly hear. Where is the privacy in that? Why doesn’t he hold a surgery like other Councillors? His main concern seems to be the state of the rubbish in the ward, and is indeed known locally as ‘the rubbish man’. How Apt.

Let’s not forget Joan Rawlinson, who has worked for years for Scrattons Farm Estate (an almost forgotten part of the ward). Will Barry Poulton, who is never seen on Scrattons Farm, work as hard for the estate as she did? I don’t think so. Joan is so disgusted with the way she has been treated that she has decided not to carry on as a Councillor for Thames Ward. This a great loss to Thames Ward as a whole.

The Labour Party has shot itself in the foot, especially in the light of the expenses scandal. For an old man who should know better, to be able to use the overall welfare of this Borough, to score points in a personal fight against a Councillor, is nothing short of disgusting. I was once asked to join the Labour Party, but I am not a political animal, and I refused. Thank God.

People who know what is going on are angry, and the local elections next year will reflect their anger.

George Shaw should be ashamed of himself, but I doubt he is.

Politics is a dirty business.

“Close Friend” (above) is obviously a BNP party member or supporter. Sad to say, he/she is right. Barking’s local Labour Party has played right into their hands, by paving the way for many residents to vote for them in the local elections next year. The dirty tricks campaign is alive and well and working from North Street. George Shaw should know better at his age. For a senior citizen, who was at one time a leading Council officer and a Mayor of this Borough to behave in such a nasty and spiteful manner is nothing short of disgusting and beggars belief. He ignored the rules, and used a personal hatred of Fred Barns to ruin the Thames Ward residents chances of keeping a concerned and caring Councillor to look after their interests.

Will these new candidates, who neither know the people or understand their problems, ever do any good for the ward? I don’t think so. I have been told that to see Barry Poulton, you must meet on his doorstep or at his garden gate, for the whole world to see, and possibly hear. Where is the privacy in that? Why doesn’t he hold a surgery like other Councillors? His main concern seems to be the state of the rubbish in the ward, and is indeed known locally as ‘the rubbish man’. How Apt.

Let’s not forget Joan Rawlinson, who has worked for years for Scrattons Farm Estate (an almost forgotten part of the ward). Will Barry Poulton, who is never seen on Scrattons Farm, work as hard for the estate as she did? I don’t think so. Joan is so disgusted with the way she has been treated that she has decided not to carry on as a Councillor for Thames Ward. This a great loss to Thames Ward as a whole.

The Labour Party has shot itself in the foot, especially in the light of the expenses scandal. For an old man who should know better, to be able to use the overall welfare of this Borough, to score points in a personal fight against a Councillor, is nothing short of disgusting. I was once asked to join the Labour Party, but I am not a political animal, and I refused. Thank God.

People who know what is going on are angry, and the local elections next year will reflect their anger.

George Shaw should be ashamed of himself, but I doubt he is.

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And for the record Cllr Barry Poulton is never seen on our Barking Riverside development either ! ………… Cllr Barns is the only councillor that works tireless on for both Thames View & Barking Riverside

I give Joan her due as i have said to her face she works very hard on Scrattons Farm and joined forces with me on many an issue over the past years !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

we need to get rid of dead wood and keep our councillor that work dame hard !!!!!!

support Cllr Fred Barns & Cllr Joan Rawlinson.

Our petition can be found in Sweet shop in Farr Ave and down at the creeks mouth public house ………… SUPPORT FRED SIGN THE PETITION !!!!

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And for the record Cllr Barry Poulton is never seen on our Barking Riverside development either ! ………… Cllr Barns is the only councillor that works tireless on for both Thames View & Barking Riverside

I give Joan her due as i have said to her face she works very hard on Scrattons Farm and joined forces with me on many an issue over the past years !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

we need to get rid of dead wood and keep our councillor that work dame hard !!!!!!

support Cllr Fred Barns & Cllr Joan Rawlinson.

Our petition can be found in Sweet shop in Farr Ave and down at the creeks mouth public house ………… SUPPORT FRED SIGN THE PETITION !!!!

I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ADD A WORD OF ADVICE FOR THE LABOUR PARTY , As clearly you miss-understand the concept of RULES

Rules are tobe kept and adhered too ………….. Somene needs to point out to Mr George Shaw – Chair of the Labour Party that only RECORDS are for BREAKING ! ! !

I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ADD A WORD OF ADVICE FOR THE LABOUR PARTY , As clearly you miss-understand the concept of RULES

Rules are tobe kept and adhered too ………….. Somene needs to point out to Mr George Shaw – Chair of the Labour Party that only RECORDS are for BREAKING ! ! !

Join the online petition to sake the MP Labour is finished in this borough

Join the online petition to sake the MP Labour is finished in this borough

Dare I ask what online petition please?

Dare I ask what online petition please?

In nearly 40 years of Party Membership I have never ever seen anyhing like this. The London Region Labour Party and local officials should be ashamed of themselves, they are destroying the Barking Labour Party. Perfectly good Councillors have been deselected and the whole selection process stinks. The BNP cannot believe their luck.

In nearly 40 years of Party Membership I have never ever seen anyhing like this. The London Region Labour Party and local officials should be ashamed of themselves, they are destroying the Barking Labour Party. Perfectly good Councillors have been deselected and the whole selection process stinks. The BNP cannot believe their luck.

In my opinion in his time George Shaw has been a very dedicated public servant, in lots of his many roles.

However with his public feud with Cllr Barnes (which has been going on for several years) he has totally lost the respect of the many people like me that admired him. He is using the selection and de- selection for the 2010 local elections as part of this feud to the cost of all the residents of Thames Ward. The outcome of this will mean that Thames Ward will loose a very dedicated and hard working (Not to mention well liked and greatly respected Cllr).

This in no way will help the Labour Party gain a majority in the local elections. If half of the allegations stated above about the selection procedure are true and I have no reason to believe they are not, then I would urge the Labour Party to enquire further into the way these procedures were carried out.

In my opinion in his time George Shaw has been a very dedicated public servant, in lots of his many roles.

However with his public feud with Cllr Barnes (which has been going on for several years) he has totally lost the respect of the many people like me that admired him. He is using the selection and de- selection for the 2010 local elections as part of this feud to the cost of all the residents of Thames Ward. The outcome of this will mean that Thames Ward will loose a very dedicated and hard working (Not to mention well liked and greatly respected Cllr).

This in no way will help the Labour Party gain a majority in the local elections. If half of the allegations stated above about the selection procedure are true and I have no reason to believe they are not, then I would urge the Labour Party to enquire further into the way these procedures were carried out.

I forgot to mention that me and all my family will definitely be signing the petition to support Fred Barnes

I forgot to mention that me and all my family will definitely be signing the petition to support Fred Barnes

Margeret Hodge has only recently been seen on a regular basis on Thames View Estate.This is not because she wants to help local residents ( as she says ) but because she knows that Labour has well and truly lost the support it once had.WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE!You have allowed one man to dictate the outcome of an important decision YOU ARE AS MUCH TO BLAME IF NOT MORE!! As for our friendly neighbourhood bufoon who ruined his ballot paper well what can I say.Where the Hell Were You When The Council Wanted To Move All The Residents From Maud Gardens!!You Live There You Idiot!!I have voted labour all my life this little circus has left a nasty taste in my mouth so I will not be supporting labour in 2010 unless Fred Barnes and Joan Rawlinson Stand……..No..Well Theres a Surprise!!!!

We have continued to read the posts with great interest, but, would like to remind the posters not to get stuck on hammering one person, you need to look at the bigger picture.

We needed to take out the big hitters, this has been a long time in the planning, and relatively easy to do, just a matter of stroking the egos of certain individuals, going from the top with the MP to the bottom with certain peoples who have their own racist views, yes, racisim really does work both ways in Barking.

But you need to realise that we may have done the stroking, and put ideas in now and then, but, this little lot were hungry for it, they honestly do believe its theirs by right, G Shaw just wanted to deal the death blow to Fred and he has done that.

But when all is said and done, when this little lot wake up on the morning after the elections and realise they have lost we will have the last laugh.

Carry on keeping your enimies closer your doing fine by us.

We have continued to read the posts with great interest, but, would like to remind the posters not to get stuck on hammering one person, you need to look at the bigger picture.

We needed to take out the big hitters, this has been a long time in the planning, and relatively easy to do, just a matter of stroking the egos of certain individuals, going from the top with the MP to the bottom with certain peoples who have their own racist views, yes, racisim really does work both ways in Barking.

But you need to realise that we may have done the stroking, and put ideas in now and then, but, this little lot were hungry for it, they honestly do believe its theirs by right, G Shaw just wanted to deal the death blow to Fred and he has done that.

But when all is said and done, when this little lot wake up on the morning after the elections and realise they have lost we will have the last laugh.

Carry on keeping your enimies closer your doing fine by us.

A message to Mr George Shaw (that is if has knows how to use internet!? as he is as out of date as all the rubbish he spouts!!)

You have well & truly lost this one for Labour & Margaret Hodge MP, who needs enimies with friends like you Mr Shaw !!!!

watch you lose every labour seat in Thames ward in 2010 hope your happy with yourself now.

A message to Mr George Shaw (that is if has knows how to use internet!? as he is as out of date as all the rubbish he spouts!!)

You have well & truly lost this one for Labour & Margaret Hodge MP, who needs enimies with friends like you Mr Shaw !!!!

watch you lose every labour seat in Thames ward in 2010 hope your happy with yourself now.

George Shaw should know better at his age. For a senior citizen, who was at once a leading Council officer in Barking & Dagenham to behave in such a manner makes me nothing short of disgusted what nasty evil little man Mr Shaw is. He ignored the rules, and made personal attacks against Cllr Barns during local neighbourhood management meeting to which the meeting chair person Cllr Barry Poulton reckons never heard the comment made by Mr shaw when council officers also presant sat further away than he heard it loud & clear.

Just show how corrupt Mr George Shaw & Cllr Barry Poulton really are, and can be seen daily meeting on the view to go over to the labour party office in north street to cook up the next batch of of back-stabbing deals against our excellent hard working ward councillors.

i urge everyone to sign the petition

George Shaw should know better at his age. For a senior citizen, who was at once a leading Council officer in Barking & Dagenham to behave in such a manner makes me nothing short of disgusted what nasty evil little man Mr Shaw is. He ignored the rules, and made personal attacks against Cllr Barns during local neighbourhood management meeting to which the meeting chair person Cllr Barry Poulton reckons never heard the comment made by Mr shaw when council officers also presant sat further away than he heard it loud & clear.

Just show how corrupt Mr George Shaw & Cllr Barry Poulton really are, and can be seen daily meeting on the view to go over to the labour party office in north street to cook up the next batch of of back-stabbing deals against our excellent hard working ward councillors.

i urge everyone to sign the petition

I am appalled at how this has panned out. Alok Agrawal has served the Becontree ward with dedication and distinction and I have personally seen improvements in the state of road repairs on my road as a result. He is a beacon of strength against the very real threat of more BNP councillors in the area. He works tirelessly for the local labour party and he is always ready to serve and be the host, using his accommodation at Becontree Avenue as a venue for meetings. What a travesty

I am appalled at how this has panned out. Alok Agrawal has served the Becontree ward with dedication and distinction and I have personally seen improvements in the state of road repairs on my road as a result. He is a beacon of strength against the very real threat of more BNP councillors in the area. He works tirelessly for the local labour party and he is always ready to serve and be the host, using his accommodation at Becontree Avenue as a venue for meetings. What a travesty

Margarat Hodge should be ashamed at herself the way she is behaving. She is acting like a dictator with a huge ego, without recognising the realities on the ground. The people she is usurping are all very loyal local public servants. shame on her

Margarat Hodge should be ashamed at herself the way she is behaving. She is acting like a dictator with a huge ego, without recognising the realities on the ground. The people she is usurping are all very loyal local public servants. shame on her

Neil Kinnock did a grand job in the past of getting rid of the Militant Tendency from Labour’s ranks.
Sadly it seems that some of them just became sleepers. Waiting for the moment to strike back.
Well, looking at what is happening in Barking makes you realise that the Militant Tendency is back in town (Barking that is).
It seems that a select few are intent on achieving their own ends, never mind about socialist ideals.
WAKE UP GORDON BROWN!!

Neil Kinnock did a grand job in the past of getting rid of the Militant Tendency from Labour’s ranks.
Sadly it seems that some of them just became sleepers. Waiting for the moment to strike back.
Well, looking at what is happening in Barking makes you realise that the Militant Tendency is back in town (Barking that is).
It seems that a select few are intent on achieving their own ends, never mind about socialist ideals.
WAKE UP GORDON BROWN!!

What absolute rubbish Alf Moore, Val Rush has turned up to meetings/events held by Hodge on the gascoigne even when she has been phoned by Hodge’s camp and told it has been cancelled, or given the wrong time and/or date. I have been sitting next to her when she has had the calls cancelling this and that and she has still gone ‘just in case’. Is this how our councillors should be treated?

And personally knowing the amount of work Val Rush does for the Gascoigne residents, and how much she has given to the labour party it is an absolute disgrace how she has been treated.

Yes I may be biased as I am her daughter, but I am also the one person who has seen how tirelessly she works, how she went to meetings even when she was ill, how she doesn’t work set hours but all hours, she takes calls during dinner, up to 10pm if not later at night, during her supposed ‘holidays’. She treats everyone equally and has supported her community so tirelessly that to be disposed of like a used chew toy makes the bile rise in my throat.

The other councillors deselected have also worked hard for their community and this is a power trip… nothing else. They loathe the BNP and rally against it and this is their reward

for shame

What absolute rubbish Alf Moore, Val Rush has turned up to meetings/events held by Hodge on the gascoigne even when she has been phoned by Hodge’s camp and told it has been cancelled, or given the wrong time and/or date. I have been sitting next to her when she has had the calls cancelling this and that and she has still gone ‘just in case’. Is this how our councillors should be treated?

And personally knowing the amount of work Val Rush does for the Gascoigne residents, and how much she has given to the labour party it is an absolute disgrace how she has been treated.

Yes I may be biased as I am her daughter, but I am also the one person who has seen how tirelessly she works, how she went to meetings even when she was ill, how she doesn’t work set hours but all hours, she takes calls during dinner, up to 10pm if not later at night, during her supposed ‘holidays’. She treats everyone equally and has supported her community so tirelessly that to be disposed of like a used chew toy makes the bile rise in my throat.

The other councillors deselected have also worked hard for their community and this is a power trip… nothing else. They loathe the BNP and rally against it and this is their reward

for shame

I have just read in the Dagenham Post that our councillor Fred Barns will not be able stand as a candidate in Thames Ward at the next election. This is because George Shaw, chairman of the Thames Labour Ward has a personal vendetta against him and also works for our MP. M.Hodge in her constituency Labour office. What on earth is this all about? We are aware that Mr. Shaw has issues with concillor Barns, we have witnessed his viscious attacks in meetings such as Tenants and residents meetings, Neighbourhood Partnership meetings etc. These were reported to both the Leader of the Council and the Chief executive. I must point out the Councillor Barns took these attacks with dignaty and I never on any occasion heard him retalliate. I also read in the same paper under the heading “Dirty tricks story” that Dominic Twomey secretary to the Barking and Dagenham Labour Party said”that M.Hodge. MP.was completely independent from the selectiom process” he also stated “that what is important is ensuring the best people for the job and concerns of resdents are taken up” Strange! I now discover that D.Twomey has been short listed for Thames Ward together with others who work for Matgaret Hodge. Please don’t insult our intelegence D.Twomey in saying that the short list was completely independent.
You may fool some of the people some of the time but you can’t fool all the people all of the time. Is the Leader of the Council able to put right the injustices in the selection process which have been rife throughout the borough?

I have just read in the Dagenham Post that our councillor Fred Barns will not be able stand as a candidate in Thames Ward at the next election. This is because George Shaw, chairman of the Thames Labour Ward has a personal vendetta against him and also works for our MP. M.Hodge in her constituency Labour office. What on earth is this all about? We are aware that Mr. Shaw has issues with concillor Barns, we have witnessed his viscious attacks in meetings such as Tenants and residents meetings, Neighbourhood Partnership meetings etc. These were reported to both the Leader of the Council and the Chief executive. I must point out the Councillor Barns took these attacks with dignaty and I never on any occasion heard him retalliate. I also read in the same paper under the heading “Dirty tricks story” that Dominic Twomey secretary to the Barking and Dagenham Labour Party said”that M.Hodge. MP.was completely independent from the selectiom process” he also stated “that what is important is ensuring the best people for the job and concerns of resdents are taken up” Strange! I now discover that D.Twomey has been short listed for Thames Ward together with others who work for Matgaret Hodge. Please don’t insult our intelegence D.Twomey in saying that the short list was completely independent.
You may fool some of the people some of the time but you can’t fool all the people all of the time. Is the Leader of the Council able to put right the injustices in the selection process which have been rife throughout the borough?

What a tragedy Cllr Alok Agrawal has been deselected, how on earth could London Region Labour party deselect such a dedicated Councillor, well respected and liked in the local community. This is a complete travesty, there will be a day of reckoning, what goes round comes round, remember that!

What a tragedy Cllr Alok Agrawal has been deselected, how on earth could London Region Labour party deselect such a dedicated Councillor, well respected and liked in the local community. This is a complete travesty, there will be a day of reckoning, what goes round comes round, remember that!

A disturbing fact seems to have been overlooked.
When selections are arranged a report has to be made on all the presently standing Councillors.

Months ago the reports for the three Councillors representing Thames Ward were written by Councillor Barry Poulton. How can a Councillor write a report on himself?

Predictably the two Councillors for Thames Ward, Fred Barnes and Joan Rawlinson have been deselected, whilst Barry Poulton is now assured that he has been re-selected.

This strikes of nepotism, and I find the whole matter an even dirtier state of affairs than the rest of it.

A VERY STRANGE STATE OF AFFAIRS.

A disturbing fact seems to have been overlooked.
When selections are arranged a report has to be made on all the presently standing Councillors.

Months ago the reports for the three Councillors representing Thames Ward were written by Councillor Barry Poulton. How can a Councillor write a report on himself?

Predictably the two Councillors for Thames Ward, Fred Barnes and Joan Rawlinson have been deselected, whilst Barry Poulton is now assured that he has been re-selected.

This strikes of nepotism, and I find the whole matter an even dirtier state of affairs than the rest of it.

A VERY STRANGE STATE OF AFFAIRS.

I am appalled at what I have just read in my local newspaper the Dagenham Post.It appears that cllr.Barnswill not be able to stand inThames.Cllr.Barns has always worked tirelessly for all the people in Thames ward, he is well liked and trusted as a friend. We know that when you go to him with a problem or complaint you will get 100% commitment. He holds no punches and tells you howit is. He keeps you informed every step of the way and at the end of the day if he he cannot resolve the problem he will know someone who can,(not like George Shaw when he was cllr. on the ward when he was known as the leave it to me man and very little ever got done) I read that the reason cllr,Barns was not resellected was because of a vendetta George Shaw has against him, could this be because Fred has knocked him off his perch in Thames?
We as residents will not support anyone else being put forward as Labour candidates unless our Fred is amongst them. What with the MP’s expenses debacle and in the local Labour Party Labour is sinking in a hole of its own making.Fred you know that you have our support in whatever you decide to do.
IT’s NO FRED NO LABOUR VOTE

I am appalled at what I have just read in my local newspaper the Dagenham Post.It appears that cllr.Barnswill not be able to stand inThames.Cllr.Barns has always worked tirelessly for all the people in Thames ward, he is well liked and trusted as a friend. We know that when you go to him with a problem or complaint you will get 100% commitment. He holds no punches and tells you howit is. He keeps you informed every step of the way and at the end of the day if he he cannot resolve the problem he will know someone who can,(not like George Shaw when he was cllr. on the ward when he was known as the leave it to me man and very little ever got done) I read that the reason cllr,Barns was not resellected was because of a vendetta George Shaw has against him, could this be because Fred has knocked him off his perch in Thames?
We as residents will not support anyone else being put forward as Labour candidates unless our Fred is amongst them. What with the MP’s expenses debacle and in the local Labour Party Labour is sinking in a hole of its own making.Fred you know that you have our support in whatever you decide to do.
IT’s NO FRED NO LABOUR VOTE

I certainly will not be voting Labour. With all that is going on within the Labour Party I think the lot of them should be sacked (shame it is not upto us to do it) Fred Barnes is one of the best councillor’s you could wish to have, he will help you no end, if you have a complaint he is on call 24/7 will sort it out and get back to you with an answer, not like your Barry Poulton’s and George Shaw. Every meeting that I have been to on Thames View always ends up with George Shaw having a go at Fred, and Fred never comes back at him. And may I add Councillor Poulton always lets him go on and on so that other people never have a chance to get their say. It will be a sad day if Fred is not reselected, and the BNP get in God Help us all.

I certainly will not be voting Labour. With all that is going on within the Labour Party I think the lot of them should be sacked (shame it is not upto us to do it) Fred Barnes is one of the best councillor’s you could wish to have, he will help you no end, if you have a complaint he is on call 24/7 will sort it out and get back to you with an answer, not like your Barry Poulton’s and George Shaw. Every meeting that I have been to on Thames View always ends up with George Shaw having a go at Fred, and Fred never comes back at him. And may I add Councillor Poulton always lets him go on and on so that other people never have a chance to get their say. It will be a sad day if Fred is not reselected, and the BNP get in God Help us all.

OH Look Ms Hodge , Just shows how many people DO read the POST NEWSPAPER !!!

RE: Your comment recently “no one reads the post” !!

OH Look Ms Hodge , Just shows how many people DO read the POST NEWSPAPER !!!

RE: Your comment recently “no one reads the post” !!

I think it’s a good thing that Cllr. Joan Rawlinson and Cllr. Fred Barnes were deselected. Next year they should take a stand, and go independent for Thames Ward. Lets face it, you have more chance of hell freezing over than Labour getting in again. Joan Rawlinson had dedicated 15 years of her life helping people with their problems, she bends over backwards in all cases.
Go Joan & Fred, lets wipe the smirks off their faces next May (especially past it George Shaw) You have so much support!

P.S Barry Poultent, Go crawl under the rock you came from, you never know, you may find some rubbish under there!!

I think it’s a good thing that Cllr. Joan Rawlinson and Cllr. Fred Barnes were deselected. Next year they should take a stand, and go independent for Thames Ward. Lets face it, you have more chance of hell freezing over than Labour getting in again. Joan Rawlinson had dedicated 15 years of her life helping people with their problems, she bends over backwards in all cases.
Go Joan & Fred, lets wipe the smirks off their faces next May (especially past it George Shaw) You have so much support!

P.S Barry Poultent, Go crawl under the rock you came from, you never know, you may find some rubbish under there!!

The developing conversation on this site is quite amazing. Now the question must be asked are Labour Listening?

If you just set aside the personalities involved and read and research the processes that appear to have been used, they are I would suggest questionable.

Never before in Barking & Dagenham has the level of corruption been so blatent and splashed over the media.

Even in the local press sides appear to have been taken and the local press appear to be totally on the side of those councillors who have been fraudently deselected.

And even more strange is the fact that the Labour Party itself is not putting up a robust defence on its actions, it is more a case of 2 fingers up to you all we have done it and there is nothing you can do about it.

Well I believe they have made the biggest and most catastrophic mistake in the history of Labour in Barking, they have guaranteed that the BNP now have an open door, reading back over the posts one could almost imagine that was the plan from the start.

But rational thought processes was never the strongest point with these so called leaders in the Barking Labour Party, their strongest starting point is usually “what am I going to get out of this”. These people are well known in the borough and when the election campaign starts proper in 2010 one would hope that they are ready for all of their skeletons to walk out of the cupboard.

The developing conversation on this site is quite amazing. Now the question must be asked are Labour Listening?

If you just set aside the personalities involved and read and research the processes that appear to have been used, they are I would suggest questionable.

Never before in Barking & Dagenham has the level of corruption been so blatent and splashed over the media.

Even in the local press sides appear to have been taken and the local press appear to be totally on the side of those councillors who have been fraudently deselected.

And even more strange is the fact that the Labour Party itself is not putting up a robust defence on its actions, it is more a case of 2 fingers up to you all we have done it and there is nothing you can do about it.

Well I believe they have made the biggest and most catastrophic mistake in the history of Labour in Barking, they have guaranteed that the BNP now have an open door, reading back over the posts one could almost imagine that was the plan from the start.

But rational thought processes was never the strongest point with these so called leaders in the Barking Labour Party, their strongest starting point is usually “what am I going to get out of this”. These people are well known in the borough and when the election campaign starts proper in 2010 one would hope that they are ready for all of their skeletons to walk out of the cupboard.

Cllr Alok Agrawal was the first to face the BNP in Barking and Dagenham in the 2005 by-election. He was also one of only 3, yes thats correct 3 labour councillors that actually beat the BNP.

All the other labout councillors in contested seats came in third…(this is quite easy to check.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barking_and_Dagenham_Council_election_2006

So why is the local Labour party so intent to remove a councillor with a proven track record against the BNP

http://www.barking-dagenham.gov.uk/9-democracy/elections/results/elect-by-becontree-05.html

Cllr Agrawal is well known in the area and well liked. He is a local businessman and has run his business for over 20 years. He has worked very hard in the area since becoming councillor n 2005.

He has been deselected on a technicality, that interestingly, was not an issue the last 3 times he was selected to stand and has suddenly become an issue.

I am sure all of you can read between the lines. I just hope the Barking CLP will be happy being the third party in the next elections.

We will vote for Cllr Agrawal but not for the Labour party. Until all the cronies leave the party we dont want to have anything to do with it.

Cllr Alok Agrawal was the first to face the BNP in Barking and Dagenham in the 2005 by-election. He was also one of only 3, yes thats correct 3 labour councillors that actually beat the BNP.

All the other labout councillors in contested seats came in third…(this is quite easy to check.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barking_and_Dagenham_Council_election_2006

So why is the local Labour party so intent to remove a councillor with a proven track record against the BNP

http://www.barking-dagenham.gov.uk/9-democracy/elections/results/elect-by-becontree-05.html

Cllr Agrawal is well known in the area and well liked. He is a local businessman and has run his business for over 20 years. He has worked very hard in the area since becoming councillor n 2005.

He has been deselected on a technicality, that interestingly, was not an issue the last 3 times he was selected to stand and has suddenly become an issue.

I am sure all of you can read between the lines. I just hope the Barking CLP will be happy being the third party in the next elections.

We will vote for Cllr Agrawal but not for the Labour party. Until all the cronies leave the party we dont want to have anything to do with it.

do the residents of thames ward realise how much damage they are doing
not to just themselves but to cllr
barnes,the community and the labour
party,is it right that such personal
attacks on people should be smeared
all over the press,are you cutting
your nose off to spite your face
if fred barnes is such a decent chap
he probaly would not like to see this
sort of vendetta happening in the press either, maybe it is time for residents to calm down a bit as they have made their point loud and clear
and by the way, enimies is spelt enemies .if the bnp are to be beaten
then everyone must work together,
nd sort out problems through the correct channels and not through nasty personal attacks in the press

do the residents of thames ward realise how much damage they are doing
not to just themselves but to cllr
barnes,the community and the labour
party,is it right that such personal
attacks on people should be smeared
all over the press,are you cutting
your nose off to spite your face
if fred barnes is such a decent chap
he probaly would not like to see this
sort of vendetta happening in the press either, maybe it is time for residents to calm down a bit as they have made their point loud and clear
and by the way, enimies is spelt enemies .if the bnp are to be beaten
then everyone must work together,
nd sort out problems through the correct channels and not through nasty personal attacks in the press

I have read this thread and the pages of the Dagenham Post with mounting concern.I know the people involved, as I spent 20 years working with them.Barking CLP was, formerly, a fairly united and cohesive force, but it is apparent that the MP and her tragic statements before the 2006 local elections, is a devisive force.
The selection process conducted by the Regional Party was basically on the premiss that the Borough Labour Party was too incompetent to pick a decent set of candidates to fight the BNP.
What we have ended up with is a complete pigs ear, whereby the process has been used to settle old scores, and has spilled out into the public domain.
I have no doubt that some of the failed candidates weren’t very articulate or knowledgeable but they are local people who try their best but, in the process we have turned the local press against us (they were pretty angry about the loss of revenue since the Council decided to go into newspaper publishing anyway), and local people are turning against us because of what they read in the Post.
This could all have been scripted by the BNP.

I have read this thread and the pages of the Dagenham Post with mounting concern.I know the people involved, as I spent 20 years working with them.Barking CLP was, formerly, a fairly united and cohesive force, but it is apparent that the MP and her tragic statements before the 2006 local elections, is a devisive force.
The selection process conducted by the Regional Party was basically on the premiss that the Borough Labour Party was too incompetent to pick a decent set of candidates to fight the BNP.
What we have ended up with is a complete pigs ear, whereby the process has been used to settle old scores, and has spilled out into the public domain.
I have no doubt that some of the failed candidates weren’t very articulate or knowledgeable but they are local people who try their best but, in the process we have turned the local press against us (they were pretty angry about the loss of revenue since the Council decided to go into newspaper publishing anyway), and local people are turning against us because of what they read in the Post.
This could all have been scripted by the BNP.

I agree with Molly. Now that the initial furore has died down somewhat lets hope that this mood of rebellion can be sustained until the local elections some 10/11 months from now.
What I feel is very interesting is, that apart from Mr Alf Moore, who doesn’t seem to have quite grasped the severity of peoples feelings and what is actually going on here, and the only other commentee, Mr Ashley Singh, are the only two people who have anything good to say regarding the North Street Mafia. Not once has anyone praised George Shaw. Quite the contrary. Perhaps as old as he is, he will learn the lesson that one should keep their feuds and anger to themselves and not be quite so free in venting their feelings in public. To publicly attack a man who constantly turns the other cheek, and takes it on the chin with dignity, is reprehensible in the eyes of residents who know what good Fred Barnes and Joan Rawlinson have done in the past.

If his vendetta had not become quite so public, the backlash of the people might have passed him by. He has lost a lot of support from friends and supporters who have stuck by him for years. I have heard remarks such as ‘control freak’ and ‘he’s thrown his toys out of the pram’. Such goings on will not endear him to the people and it seems that respect for him has gone. It’s very sad, that someone who once was a valued Councilor, Leader of the Council and also Mayor of this Borough, should stoop so low with the dirty tricks.

You may have won this round, Mr Shaw, but I don’t think you have won the war. Next years elections will show the result of all this dirty dealing, and the Labour Party and Mrs M Hodge will surely regret the way they have treated Councillors who worked their socks off for this Borough and then were s… on from a great height.

I hope valuable lessons will be learned in the 2010 elections, if the BNP take over more seats in this Borough, because of the antics of George Shaw and Co.

Shame on you too Councillor Barry Poulton, who let the disgusting treatment of Fred Barnes go on in Public. You were the Chair of the meetings and should not have let it continue. Brown nosing will get you nowhere in the end, and don’t forget, come the elections you may well waiting find yourself waiting at your front gate, with no-one to talk to, because an un-elected Councillor is no longer a Councillor.

What will you both do then?

I agree with Molly. Now that the initial furore has died down somewhat lets hope that this mood of rebellion can be sustained until the local elections some 10/11 months from now.
What I feel is very interesting is, that apart from Mr Alf Moore, who doesn’t seem to have quite grasped the severity of peoples feelings and what is actually going on here, and the only other commentee, Mr Ashley Singh, are the only two people who have anything good to say regarding the North Street Mafia. Not once has anyone praised George Shaw. Quite the contrary. Perhaps as old as he is, he will learn the lesson that one should keep their feuds and anger to themselves and not be quite so free in venting their feelings in public. To publicly attack a man who constantly turns the other cheek, and takes it on the chin with dignity, is reprehensible in the eyes of residents who know what good Fred Barnes and Joan Rawlinson have done in the past.

If his vendetta had not become quite so public, the backlash of the people might have passed him by. He has lost a lot of support from friends and supporters who have stuck by him for years. I have heard remarks such as ‘control freak’ and ‘he’s thrown his toys out of the pram’. Such goings on will not endear him to the people and it seems that respect for him has gone. It’s very sad, that someone who once was a valued Councilor, Leader of the Council and also Mayor of this Borough, should stoop so low with the dirty tricks.

You may have won this round, Mr Shaw, but I don’t think you have won the war. Next years elections will show the result of all this dirty dealing, and the Labour Party and Mrs M Hodge will surely regret the way they have treated Councillors who worked their socks off for this Borough and then were s… on from a great height.

I hope valuable lessons will be learned in the 2010 elections, if the BNP take over more seats in this Borough, because of the antics of George Shaw and Co.

Shame on you too Councillor Barry Poulton, who let the disgusting treatment of Fred Barnes go on in Public. You were the Chair of the meetings and should not have let it continue. Brown nosing will get you nowhere in the end, and don’t forget, come the elections you may well waiting find yourself waiting at your front gate, with no-one to talk to, because an un-elected Councillor is no longer a Councillor.

What will you both do then?

One correction, George Shaw was never Council Leader, only Chair of Housing for many years.

One correction, George Shaw was never Council Leader, only Chair of Housing for many years.

In Reply to : disillussioned resident :
Date: June 25, 2009 @ 10:55 am

Do you not think the truth should be told ?!

Do you not think us the residents have right to the knowledge of what sort of underhand dirty ticks have been going on behind closed doors ?!

Do you not think you may have double standards with you comment, As it’s Mr Shaw that has made personal public attacks, and your comment is not showing much respect for a well respected ward councillor like Fred Barns !

Have you never heard of the old saying ” people in glass houses should not throw stones ” .

Mr George Shaw has brought much shame to the Labour Party. If he has any sense he will resign as this fiasco will show in the ballot box in 2010 if Fred is not re-selected.

I gurantee that the residents of Thames Ward will no longer vote labour after this turn out and who can blame them. It should be the peoples choice and not that of Mr George Shaw whom is selected for re-selection in 2010.

Good luck to whom ever wins the next elections it’s anyones elections now. All the other partys will have to work hard to show they are not run by evil twisted oaps holding vendettas.

I SMELL THE COMMENTS BY :disillussioned resident ARE BEING LEFT BY CLLR BARRY POULTON ??

In Reply to : disillussioned resident :
Date: June 25, 2009 @ 10:55 am

Do you not think the truth should be told ?!

Do you not think us the residents have right to the knowledge of what sort of underhand dirty ticks have been going on behind closed doors ?!

Do you not think you may have double standards with you comment, As it’s Mr Shaw that has made personal public attacks, and your comment is not showing much respect for a well respected ward councillor like Fred Barns !

Have you never heard of the old saying ” people in glass houses should not throw stones ” .

Mr George Shaw has brought much shame to the Labour Party. If he has any sense he will resign as this fiasco will show in the ballot box in 2010 if Fred is not re-selected.

I gurantee that the residents of Thames Ward will no longer vote labour after this turn out and who can blame them. It should be the peoples choice and not that of Mr George Shaw whom is selected for re-selection in 2010.

Good luck to whom ever wins the next elections it’s anyones elections now. All the other partys will have to work hard to show they are not run by evil twisted oaps holding vendettas.

I SMELL THE COMMENTS BY :disillussioned resident ARE BEING LEFT BY CLLR BARRY POULTON ??

I was an opposition member of the Council in the late 1980′s (that’s norrowed it down to 12 possibles then). I remember having to take my own Council to the Ombudsman regarding Housing policies and allocations. George Shaw as chair of the Housing Committee was thoroughly castigated by the Ombudsman who stated he run the Housing Service as his own ‘personal feifdom’. I personally remember him as a thoroughly unpleasant individual and a total control freak. I don’t think it was me, because I have retained and maintain friendships with people in Barking Labour Party to this day, including present and former Councillors. It’s upsetting, but not surprising, given the individuals involved, to see what’s happening withing the Labour Party in Barking. I hope there can be some resolution quickly, because the thought of a BNP led Council in my home town is to awful to contemplate ..

I was an opposition member of the Council in the late 1980′s (that’s norrowed it down to 12 possibles then). I remember having to take my own Council to the Ombudsman regarding Housing policies and allocations. George Shaw as chair of the Housing Committee was thoroughly castigated by the Ombudsman who stated he run the Housing Service as his own ‘personal feifdom’. I personally remember him as a thoroughly unpleasant individual and a total control freak. I don’t think it was me, because I have retained and maintain friendships with people in Barking Labour Party to this day, including present and former Councillors. It’s upsetting, but not surprising, given the individuals involved, to see what’s happening withing the Labour Party in Barking. I hope there can be some resolution quickly, because the thought of a BNP led Council in my home town is to awful to contemplate ..

in reply to very angry resident, i AM NOT CLLR POULTON, these are the sort of replies that are making bad feelings worse, I agree that residents should be told the truth and personal vendettas should have ben sorted out before they got to this stage,I dont like to see anyone shafted for no reason, I cannot comment on the feud between cllr barnes and mr shaw or the involvement of cllr poulton,the situation has to be solved somehow,
being angry is one thing,making nasty personal attacks in the press is another, as you are only doing the same as those you have accused
no one is perfect,but try to act like normal human beings,I do hope you can get your problems sorted out
and wish you all the best, but please stop this nastiness.it doesnt solve anythng

in reply to very angry resident, i AM NOT CLLR POULTON, these are the sort of replies that are making bad feelings worse, I agree that residents should be told the truth and personal vendettas should have ben sorted out before they got to this stage,I dont like to see anyone shafted for no reason, I cannot comment on the feud between cllr barnes and mr shaw or the involvement of cllr poulton,the situation has to be solved somehow,
being angry is one thing,making nasty personal attacks in the press is another, as you are only doing the same as those you have accused
no one is perfect,but try to act like normal human beings,I do hope you can get your problems sorted out
and wish you all the best, but please stop this nastiness.it doesnt solve anythng

My father voted for Labour for most of his voting life & I think he would be ashamed of what is going on now, Bob Mellish was our MP and like Councillor Barnes he worked tirelessly for his constituents as does Fred Barnes. I have dealt with Fred for eight years regarding bike problem on Barking Riverside land & one sunday morning at least 50-60 bikes were at the back of my property, noise was horrendous and Fred was going out with his family (which he is entitled to do like most families) and he cancelled his trip to help deal with problem,which showed what a excellent councillor he is. I wonder if Councillor Poulton would have done the same, I have never seen him on our development to see if there is anything he can help with & as for Margaret Hodge she stopped me in Barking town centre, by the old bandstand, & asked If I knew who she was and I replied yes she then asked if there was anything she could help me with, I explained about the bike problem which I have been complaining to the Council, local neighbourhood meetings and Councillor Barnes (who has been the only one helping) she told me she knew nothing of this problem I told her this was brought up at her coffee morning meeting in Christcurch, she quite rudely turned around & walked away. I hope that common sense will prevail in this matter but do not hold much hope. As for George Shaw his policies died with the Ark & Cllr Poulton should not let George Shaw waffle on & let others have their say in Neighbourhood meetings as Cllr Poulton has shut me down very sharply & rudely. I pay my council tax and I am entitled to have my say regarding where I live.

My father voted for Labour for most of his voting life & I think he would be ashamed of what is going on now, Bob Mellish was our MP and like Councillor Barnes he worked tirelessly for his constituents as does Fred Barnes. I have dealt with Fred for eight years regarding bike problem on Barking Riverside land & one sunday morning at least 50-60 bikes were at the back of my property, noise was horrendous and Fred was going out with his family (which he is entitled to do like most families) and he cancelled his trip to help deal with problem,which showed what a excellent councillor he is. I wonder if Councillor Poulton would have done the same, I have never seen him on our development to see if there is anything he can help with & as for Margaret Hodge she stopped me in Barking town centre, by the old bandstand, & asked If I knew who she was and I replied yes she then asked if there was anything she could help me with, I explained about the bike problem which I have been complaining to the Council, local neighbourhood meetings and Councillor Barnes (who has been the only one helping) she told me she knew nothing of this problem I told her this was brought up at her coffee morning meeting in Christcurch, she quite rudely turned around & walked away. I hope that common sense will prevail in this matter but do not hold much hope. As for George Shaw his policies died with the Ark & Cllr Poulton should not let George Shaw waffle on & let others have their say in Neighbourhood meetings as Cllr Poulton has shut me down very sharply & rudely. I pay my council tax and I am entitled to have my say regarding where I live.

We have just heard some more very good news, it appears that 2 very senior Labour Councillors have stated that they are not standing for selection.

Reason given we hear is that they are so disgusted with how their colleagues have been treated that they have no wish to be a part of it.

This is good news for us.

You might like to wonder why this is only happening in Barking. Its true that a couple of members in Dagenham were deselected, but, Dagenham is a closed shop to us we have made no inroads there at all. They are all totally loyal to one another and to their MP, so we went for the easy option.

And for us to sit back and watch this roll out is highly amusing, we do know that the Dagenham members are angry at how their colleagues are being treated but we wait to see if they or others will or can take any further action.

Just remember in Barking keep your friends close but your enemies closer. Ha

We have just heard some more very good news, it appears that 2 very senior Labour Councillors have stated that they are not standing for selection.

Reason given we hear is that they are so disgusted with how their colleagues have been treated that they have no wish to be a part of it.

This is good news for us.

You might like to wonder why this is only happening in Barking. Its true that a couple of members in Dagenham were deselected, but, Dagenham is a closed shop to us we have made no inroads there at all. They are all totally loyal to one another and to their MP, so we went for the easy option.

And for us to sit back and watch this roll out is highly amusing, we do know that the Dagenham members are angry at how their colleagues are being treated but we wait to see if they or others will or can take any further action.

Just remember in Barking keep your friends close but your enemies closer. Ha

Reply to : disillussioned resident

I do not have the vendtta i am merely point out the facts for all to know !

you just have to read all the other comments to see how Mr George Shaw has rubbed many up the wrong way over the years ….. Rid him from the labour party along with cllr poulton (both are past there sell by dates).

power to cllr rawlinson & cllr barnes keep fighting !

Reply to : disillussioned resident

I do not have the vendtta i am merely point out the facts for all to know !

you just have to read all the other comments to see how Mr George Shaw has rubbed many up the wrong way over the years ….. Rid him from the labour party along with cllr poulton (both are past there sell by dates).

power to cllr rawlinson & cllr barnes keep fighting !

I am so disappointed by the behaviour of some within the Barking CLP and I wish that I was in the Dagenham CLP as my address suggests I should be.

As an active member of the Barking CLP I am sick of listening to the ‘chosen few’ telling us at meetings that we should stop the in fighting and work together and then in the next breath say something inflammatory to insight the kind of argument that produces the atmosphere that they say they want to be rid of. If you bite back you are seen as the aggressor if you say nothing they get away with what ever they want.

Whilst the Barking Wards are all busy fighting amongst themselves the Dagenham CLP are very organised and are cherry picking any decent prospective Councillors for their Wards in Dagenham. Good luck to them. However that doesn’t help us who live and work in Barking. We will end up with the Hodge sycophants who in many cases don’t have a brain cell or opinion (unless its about black bags etc.) between them but will vote the right way and can just about read from the script written for them.

As a Labour Party member it hurts me to say it but I hope that those hard working councillors who have been deselected find the strength and the financial backing to stand as independants. Please don’t abandon us altogether.

Hopefully this will give those traditional Labour Party voters, who have, lets face it, a lot to be disappointed about lately, the opportunity to vote for the tried and tested councillors who have worked so hard for them in the past rather than throwing away votes to the fascist groups who will undoubtedly benefit from many protest votes and divide our communities even further.

so I say go for it Alok, Fred, Joan, John, Val and any other hard working Labour Councillor that I may have forgotton in my haste to get this written. If you were in my ward I would vote for you.

I am so disappointed by the behaviour of some within the Barking CLP and I wish that I was in the Dagenham CLP as my address suggests I should be.

As an active member of the Barking CLP I am sick of listening to the ‘chosen few’ telling us at meetings that we should stop the in fighting and work together and then in the next breath say something inflammatory to insight the kind of argument that produces the atmosphere that they say they want to be rid of. If you bite back you are seen as the aggressor if you say nothing they get away with what ever they want.

Whilst the Barking Wards are all busy fighting amongst themselves the Dagenham CLP are very organised and are cherry picking any decent prospective Councillors for their Wards in Dagenham. Good luck to them. However that doesn’t help us who live and work in Barking. We will end up with the Hodge sycophants who in many cases don’t have a brain cell or opinion (unless its about black bags etc.) between them but will vote the right way and can just about read from the script written for them.

As a Labour Party member it hurts me to say it but I hope that those hard working councillors who have been deselected find the strength and the financial backing to stand as independants. Please don’t abandon us altogether.

Hopefully this will give those traditional Labour Party voters, who have, lets face it, a lot to be disappointed about lately, the opportunity to vote for the tried and tested councillors who have worked so hard for them in the past rather than throwing away votes to the fascist groups who will undoubtedly benefit from many protest votes and divide our communities even further.

so I say go for it Alok, Fred, Joan, John, Val and any other hard working Labour Councillor that I may have forgotton in my haste to get this written. If you were in my ward I would vote for you.

I thought the government were trying to stamp out bullying within schools & workplace, what went wrong here? When I was at work you got recognition for good work obviously something has gone wrong within politics, is it a case of do as I say not as I do. Councillors who do good work get shunted and those who do less get praised, god help us at the next election.

I thought the government were trying to stamp out bullying within schools & workplace, what went wrong here? When I was at work you got recognition for good work obviously something has gone wrong within politics, is it a case of do as I say not as I do. Councillors who do good work get shunted and those who do less get praised, god help us at the next election.

Does Gordon Brown read these reviews? It would be a good idea if this was brought to his attention & see what his reaction would be.

Does Gordon Brown read these reviews? It would be a good idea if this was brought to his attention & see what his reaction would be.

I have just spent the last half hour reading all the comments that everyone has made, and I have this to say. By the sounds of things people are more concerned with playing chinese whispers and gossiping,(which I would like to add that is something you do when you are in school not fully grown adults) then coming together and fighting against the bnp!!!

I have just spent the last half hour reading all the comments that everyone has made, and I have this to say. By the sounds of things people are more concerned with playing chinese whispers and gossiping,(which I would like to add that is something you do when you are in school not fully grown adults) then coming together and fighting against the bnp!!!

What we must also remember is that Fred Barnes cannot defend himself in this blog, and has to take his insulting treatment on the chin. As does Joan Rawlinson.

The fact that so many are shouting on their behalf speaks volumes.

I cannot see that this debate is doing Fred Barnes harm, it only proves to me how many people are enraged that one very silly old man can bully and harass to get his own way.

It is a pity that the chosen few from North Street have taken this path as it does indeed give the Labour party a bad name and leave a nasty taste in the mouths of the ordinary resident, who just wants a decent clean place to live.

Lets hope someone ‘up top’ can see what is happening and sort this mess out before it gets completely out of hand.

What we must also remember is that Fred Barnes cannot defend himself in this blog, and has to take his insulting treatment on the chin. As does Joan Rawlinson.

The fact that so many are shouting on their behalf speaks volumes.

I cannot see that this debate is doing Fred Barnes harm, it only proves to me how many people are enraged that one very silly old man can bully and harass to get his own way.

It is a pity that the chosen few from North Street have taken this path as it does indeed give the Labour party a bad name and leave a nasty taste in the mouths of the ordinary resident, who just wants a decent clean place to live.

Lets hope someone ‘up top’ can see what is happening and sort this mess out before it gets completely out of hand.

Concerned Teenager

Far be it from to pull age and rank on someone of your tender teenage years, but I don’t think you quite realise what is happening here.

These are not Chinese whispers or gossip. They are cold hard facts that need to be told to all those concerned with keeping decent people as Councillors

Because of closed shops and dirty fighting the residents who vote are never told the truth of what goes on behind North Street doors, and they should be.

There has been some very dirty fighting, and you should think carefully before castigating these people as children.

It is because of all this dirty fighting that the BNP are revelling in the whole affair. Don’t blame the people giving their opinions, but instead read it all again and see that this is the only way that people can get their opinions heard.

Concerned Teenager

Far be it from to pull age and rank on someone of your tender teenage years, but I don’t think you quite realise what is happening here.

These are not Chinese whispers or gossip. They are cold hard facts that need to be told to all those concerned with keeping decent people as Councillors

Because of closed shops and dirty fighting the residents who vote are never told the truth of what goes on behind North Street doors, and they should be.

There has been some very dirty fighting, and you should think carefully before castigating these people as children.

It is because of all this dirty fighting that the BNP are revelling in the whole affair. Don’t blame the people giving their opinions, but instead read it all again and see that this is the only way that people can get their opinions heard.

Reply to the Concerned Teenager

You are quite right. There is a saying about ‘out of the mouths of babes’ I can’t quite remember the actual saying but it implies that you usually hear the truth.

Unfortunately this has been going on for so long many don’t know how to listen to reason or even debate any more they are so blinkered.

Reply to the Concerned Teenager

You are quite right. There is a saying about ‘out of the mouths of babes’ I can’t quite remember the actual saying but it implies that you usually hear the truth.

Unfortunately this has been going on for so long many don’t know how to listen to reason or even debate any more they are so blinkered.

Dear Concerned Teenager, I applaud the fact that you have taken the time to read all the comments, you have failed to understand however the concept of Chinese whispers. A Chinese whisper is when something is said by someone and gradually changed as it is repeated. You should note that the comments being made are very consistant.

Dear Concerned Teenager, I applaud the fact that you have taken the time to read all the comments, you have failed to understand however the concept of Chinese whispers. A Chinese whisper is when something is said by someone and gradually changed as it is repeated. You should note that the comments being made are very consistant.

A message for the Concerned Teenager if you are a resident of Thames Ward I am sure that you will be aware how much cllr Fred Barns has done for the Youth on the ward. This is one reason residents dont want to lose him as their councillor. Keep interested in local politics more young voices are always appreciated but before the BNP can be overcome you have to deal with the problems in your local Labour Party and that is what people are trying to do.

A message for the Concerned Teenager if you are a resident of Thames Ward I am sure that you will be aware how much cllr Fred Barns has done for the Youth on the ward. This is one reason residents dont want to lose him as their councillor. Keep interested in local politics more young voices are always appreciated but before the BNP can be overcome you have to deal with the problems in your local Labour Party and that is what people are trying to do.

Talk about sleaze in the government, expenses and pensions etc. Come to our neck of the woods, Barking and Dagenham to find underhanded deals such as vendettas, control freaks,back stabbing etc. You name it we have got the lot, and that is just in our local Labour party. By the way have you heard the news? Barking and Dagenham have a new batch of immigrants decending on our doorstep. It’s not the europeans or asians etc but surprise surprise,BMP members from all over the country, knowing whats going on in our borough are renting flats staying with friends in order to reside in the borough for the qualifying period so as to be able to stand as candidated at the 2010 elections.
Take note Margaret Hodge, George Shaw and the local Labour Party in this borough.
Oh what a wonderous web we weave when first we venture to deceive.

Talk about sleaze in the government, expenses and pensions etc. Come to our neck of the woods, Barking and Dagenham to find underhanded deals such as vendettas, control freaks,back stabbing etc. You name it we have got the lot, and that is just in our local Labour party. By the way have you heard the news? Barking and Dagenham have a new batch of immigrants decending on our doorstep. It’s not the europeans or asians etc but surprise surprise,BMP members from all over the country, knowing whats going on in our borough are renting flats staying with friends in order to reside in the borough for the qualifying period so as to be able to stand as candidated at the 2010 elections.
Take note Margaret Hodge, George Shaw and the local Labour Party in this borough.
Oh what a wonderous web we weave when first we venture to deceive.

I am a resident of Alibon Ward.

I am a resident of Alibon Ward.

YOU MUST ASK MR G SHAW TO STAND DOWN AS CHAIR OF THAMES WARD LABOUR PARTY THIS MUST BE DONE

YOU MUST ASK MR G SHAW TO STAND DOWN AS CHAIR OF THAMES WARD LABOUR PARTY THIS MUST BE DONE

In response to Barking Resident @3.55pm please dont even try going down that route of scare mongering. You should be looking at what is being done by the North Street mafia as you have named it.

Take a closer look at your increased membership, which incidentely goes against the trend anywhere else in the country (which should ring an alarm bell for you).

Go and stand outside when certain wards in the town centre have a meeting where a vote is needed, count how many mini buses turn up and how many people get out. And if you can get close enough to hear them speak you tell us if you recognise the midlands and north of england accents.

So please put your own house in order first.

And as for the teenager from Alibon Ward nice to hear from you again say hello to your relatives for us.

Keep your enemies closer

In response to Barking Resident @3.55pm please dont even try going down that route of scare mongering. You should be looking at what is being done by the North Street mafia as you have named it.

Take a closer look at your increased membership, which incidentely goes against the trend anywhere else in the country (which should ring an alarm bell for you).

Go and stand outside when certain wards in the town centre have a meeting where a vote is needed, count how many mini buses turn up and how many people get out. And if you can get close enough to hear them speak you tell us if you recognise the midlands and north of england accents.

So please put your own house in order first.

And as for the teenager from Alibon Ward nice to hear from you again say hello to your relatives for us.

Keep your enemies closer

Gordon Brown and the General Secretary of the Labour Party should hear and fully investigate this impartially. (Bearing in mind the London Labour Region are not impartial). Urgent disciplinary action needs to be taken and the offenders thrown out of the Party. Our Ward will be writing to the General Secretary asap. It is so sad to see our local Party crumbling in this manner. Perhaps the shortlisting and selection process needs to be completely done again in a fully supervised correct manner, without the interference and barriers we have had this time around.

Gordon Brown and the General Secretary of the Labour Party should hear and fully investigate this impartially. (Bearing in mind the London Labour Region are not impartial). Urgent disciplinary action needs to be taken and the offenders thrown out of the Party. Our Ward will be writing to the General Secretary asap. It is so sad to see our local Party crumbling in this manner. Perhaps the shortlisting and selection process needs to be completely done again in a fully supervised correct manner, without the interference and barriers we have had this time around.

In response to Concerned teenager, can I please point out that we did not start this fight, it is not a fight that we wanted, needed or asked for. But, it is a fight that has been forced upon us by the North Street Mafia.

They drew the line in the sand, they are the ones that have had secret meetings where decisions have been made by people who were NOT elected to office within the party.

They are the ones who have corrupted Regional party officers and have bent them to their will.

Money has been thrown at this for months if not years, yet the ordinary member of the party has no written evidence of what we have in the bank.

There is a wise old saying about the great British public that we are slow to anger but when we do we fight hard and we fight to win.

We are not just fighting for individuals here we are fighting for the life of the party in Barking, the Labour party, which is something all of those in so called power in Barking know nothing about.

So please concerned teenager do take the time to listen and learn from both sides, and perhaps, just perhaps you may well agree that this was not a fight of our making.

In response to Concerned teenager, can I please point out that we did not start this fight, it is not a fight that we wanted, needed or asked for. But, it is a fight that has been forced upon us by the North Street Mafia.

They drew the line in the sand, they are the ones that have had secret meetings where decisions have been made by people who were NOT elected to office within the party.

They are the ones who have corrupted Regional party officers and have bent them to their will.

Money has been thrown at this for months if not years, yet the ordinary member of the party has no written evidence of what we have in the bank.

There is a wise old saying about the great British public that we are slow to anger but when we do we fight hard and we fight to win.

We are not just fighting for individuals here we are fighting for the life of the party in Barking, the Labour party, which is something all of those in so called power in Barking know nothing about.

So please concerned teenager do take the time to listen and learn from both sides, and perhaps, just perhaps you may well agree that this was not a fight of our making.

Since there is such extreme concern regarding how the short listing of Councillors for Thames Ward was conducted on Thursday 18th June the outcome MUST be declared null and void and another meeting MUST be convened to short list the Councillors that we the people want to serve us and not influenced by a personal vendetta

In my opinion the Labour Party has had its day – enough is enough

For example –

MP’s Expenses – A furore over the exhorbitant expenses they claimed and were PAID by us the tax payer

MP’s Pension – Debating to give THEMSELVES an increase in their alreadY golden Pension which would cost us [the people they purport to work for] £800.000 and the MP’s a mere £67 per mpnth from their overstuffed wage packets

The Labour Party cannot continue to ignore the people , they MUST put right the farce which was enacted at the short listing for Thames Ward Councillors on the 18th June

Since there is such extreme concern regarding how the short listing of Councillors for Thames Ward was conducted on Thursday 18th June the outcome MUST be declared null and void and another meeting MUST be convened to short list the Councillors that we the people want to serve us and not influenced by a personal vendetta

In my opinion the Labour Party has had its day – enough is enough

For example –

MP’s Expenses – A furore over the exhorbitant expenses they claimed and were PAID by us the tax payer

MP’s Pension – Debating to give THEMSELVES an increase in their alreadY golden Pension which would cost us [the people they purport to work for] £800.000 and the MP’s a mere £67 per mpnth from their overstuffed wage packets

The Labour Party cannot continue to ignore the people , they MUST put right the farce which was enacted at the short listing for Thames Ward Councillors on the 18th June

At the short listing of Councillors for Thames Ward on the 18th June six people voted Cllr Barns off – the 1st 2nd and 3rd voters being George Shaw and his wife and daughter – votes 4 & 5 were by two men [neighbours of G Shaw] who have never ever attended a Ward meeting to my knowledge nor met Fred Barns ever – the sixth voter was a female who would wear her shoes on her head if G Shaw told her to

Six voted Cllr Poulton off – then George Shaw used a casting vote as Chair [though it is doubtful that this is allowed by BLP rules] to get Cllr Barns off & Cllr Poulton to stand – if this had been for the benefit of Thames Ward I dont think I would have felt so angry as I do now however it was nothimg so noble as that , it was purely to fuel George Shaw’a hatred for Cllr Barns and to satisfy his love of dictatorship – he is a megalomaniac whose motto is ‘dont do what I do , do what I say’

Well thanks George Shaw you have now landed us all with the ‘village idiot’ who is known locally as a wannabe Womble – all I can say is that George Shaw and Cllr Poulton deserve each other as they both like to hear the sound of their own voice – neither worry about who they stab in the back – I have even witnessed them back stabbing each other

So! well done George Shaw you have succeeded where Maggie Thatcher failed you have brought the BLP to its knees – Hope you are proud of yourself

At the short listing of Councillors for Thames Ward on the 18th June six people voted Cllr Barns off – the 1st 2nd and 3rd voters being George Shaw and his wife and daughter – votes 4 & 5 were by two men [neighbours of G Shaw] who have never ever attended a Ward meeting to my knowledge nor met Fred Barns ever – the sixth voter was a female who would wear her shoes on her head if G Shaw told her to

Six voted Cllr Poulton off – then George Shaw used a casting vote as Chair [though it is doubtful that this is allowed by BLP rules] to get Cllr Barns off & Cllr Poulton to stand – if this had been for the benefit of Thames Ward I dont think I would have felt so angry as I do now however it was nothimg so noble as that , it was purely to fuel George Shaw’a hatred for Cllr Barns and to satisfy his love of dictatorship – he is a megalomaniac whose motto is ‘dont do what I do , do what I say’

Well thanks George Shaw you have now landed us all with the ‘village idiot’ who is known locally as a wannabe Womble – all I can say is that George Shaw and Cllr Poulton deserve each other as they both like to hear the sound of their own voice – neither worry about who they stab in the back – I have even witnessed them back stabbing each other

So! well done George Shaw you have succeeded where Maggie Thatcher failed you have brought the BLP to its knees – Hope you are proud of yourself

Close Friend : Could I please ask what relatives you are talking about ?

Close Friend : Could I please ask what relatives you are talking about ?

Seems a lot of people in this area write with the same style…

Seems a lot of people in this area write with the same style…

Reply to Robert Yes I agree a lot of people in this area are writing with the same style. These Barking people speak as they find and speak the truth not making it up to suck up to Margaret Hodge and her croanies. Makes you wonder if G Shaw is really acting like a true Barking resident! Be proud of where you come from and how you speak and write!!!!

Reply to Robert Yes I agree a lot of people in this area are writing with the same style. These Barking people speak as they find and speak the truth not making it up to suck up to Margaret Hodge and her croanies. Makes you wonder if G Shaw is really acting like a true Barking resident! Be proud of where you come from and how you speak and write!!!!

In response to Concerned teenager, do you really want me to name names, or, shall I just give you some references?

Several months ago during one of the elections our car was driving round the borough with our A frame ad board, on that board we gave advertising space to a v. local company run by a well known resident in Alibon ward – any relative?

Caravan camp?

Any more hints needed?

Keep your enemies closer

In response to Concerned teenager, do you really want me to name names, or, shall I just give you some references?

Several months ago during one of the elections our car was driving round the borough with our A frame ad board, on that board we gave advertising space to a v. local company run by a well known resident in Alibon ward – any relative?

Caravan camp?

Any more hints needed?

Keep your enemies closer

Come and show your support for Cllr Fred Barns & Cllr Joan Rawlinson.

On Sunday 5th July 2009
at 11am
Venue : Mobility Shop inside the Vicarage Field Shopping Centre on upper level

Come and let the Labour Party know your views that we want Fred & Joan!

Come and show your support for Cllr Fred Barns & Cllr Joan Rawlinson.

On Sunday 5th July 2009
at 11am
Venue : Mobility Shop inside the Vicarage Field Shopping Centre on upper level

Come and let the Labour Party know your views that we want Fred & Joan!

Can anyone tell how one man {Chair of the labour party} be allowed to break voting rules & being as the rules was broken why has the short listing for the selection not been re-done ASAP ??
please Mr Brown if you read this can you answer this question !

How can our faith be restored in the labour party now.

I can see this being national news with all this public support for these hard working councillors that have been badly treated in our borough.

Can anyone tell how one man {Chair of the labour party} be allowed to break voting rules & being as the rules was broken why has the short listing for the selection not been re-done ASAP ??
please Mr Brown if you read this can you answer this question !

How can our faith be restored in the labour party now.

I can see this being national news with all this public support for these hard working councillors that have been badly treated in our borough.

Can I please ask that if you are proposing to protest on Saturday that you also include an invite to the residents on other wards whose councillors have unfairly and corruptly been deselected, the wards are Becontree Cllr Agrawal, Gascoigne Cllr Val Rush, and it seems Cllr McKenzie has been shifted at the North street mafias request to Dagenham, Valance Cllr Don Hemmett.

As show of combined strength is what works best.

Can I please ask that if you are proposing to protest on Saturday that you also include an invite to the residents on other wards whose councillors have unfairly and corruptly been deselected, the wards are Becontree Cllr Agrawal, Gascoigne Cllr Val Rush, and it seems Cllr McKenzie has been shifted at the North street mafias request to Dagenham, Valance Cllr Don Hemmett.

As show of combined strength is what works best.

My apologies, I have just been informed that I left some names off the list, and I dont believe we would want any of these to be ignored.
Cllr Warren Northover Goresbrook ward who successfully campaigned to ensure that Labour had 1 seat in that ward.
Cllr Pat Northover Eastbury ward who successfully saw off not only the BNP but the Liberals I am told, and there is the case of Cllr Jeanne Alexander who lives in Abbey ward and has tirelessly served that ward as a Councillor for 15 years she is now also being forced out.

So please think of all involved.

My apologies, I have just been informed that I left some names off the list, and I dont believe we would want any of these to be ignored.
Cllr Warren Northover Goresbrook ward who successfully campaigned to ensure that Labour had 1 seat in that ward.
Cllr Pat Northover Eastbury ward who successfully saw off not only the BNP but the Liberals I am told, and there is the case of Cllr Jeanne Alexander who lives in Abbey ward and has tirelessly served that ward as a Councillor for 15 years she is now also being forced out.

So please think of all involved.

it seems that Jackie is nothing more than a trouble maker,i wonder how she gets her information and who from
as she clearly does not have all the facts,most residents in goresbrook
would not agree that warren northover ,was a good cllr,he rarely attended any meetings,when he did he seemed to fall asleep,he never gave apologies for abscence, and hardly ever communicated with the community over the last couple of years so we dont think he was unfairly deselected
as for the others,who knows the reasons why.JACKIES outcrys seem a little suspect,as do some of the other letters,it seems someone is doing a little stirring of the fire
it will not solve anything but more bad feelings and alienate even mre people,forcing them to take sides and divide the communities more,what a sad outcome that would be for everyone,and a good one for the BNP
SHAME ON YOU

it seems that Jackie is nothing more than a trouble maker,i wonder how she gets her information and who from
as she clearly does not have all the facts,most residents in goresbrook
would not agree that warren northover ,was a good cllr,he rarely attended any meetings,when he did he seemed to fall asleep,he never gave apologies for abscence, and hardly ever communicated with the community over the last couple of years so we dont think he was unfairly deselected
as for the others,who knows the reasons why.JACKIES outcrys seem a little suspect,as do some of the other letters,it seems someone is doing a little stirring of the fire
it will not solve anything but more bad feelings and alienate even mre people,forcing them to take sides and divide the communities more,what a sad outcome that would be for everyone,and a good one for the BNP
SHAME ON YOU

It seems as though this site has been just as busy today with more people still showing their support for councillors they feel were unfairly deselected.

It looks like you have also been joined by a troll from the North Street Mafia, I am referring to the disillusioned resident who posted @ 1.59pm.

Why use the word suspect when someone puts a reasonable point of view over, isnt that what democracy is all about listening to others points of view without reacting in this manner and attacking anyone who disagrees with them.

Reading through the numerous posts on here that seems to be the thread all of the way through the residents, the ones who actually put their X’s on the ballot paper are telling the Labour Party loud and clear that they want these people on the ballot paper, these are the people they will vote for, and it is a foolish party that ignores that message.

As for this persons reference to the posters on here handing the borough to the BNP I would suggest that the only people that are going to do that are the Mafia.

So please do not attack people for putting what they feel needs to be said on here, there is no shame in it, and in fact it is far better to have this out in the open than in the dark where plots and conspiracy always fester.

It seems as though this site has been just as busy today with more people still showing their support for councillors they feel were unfairly deselected.

It looks like you have also been joined by a troll from the North Street Mafia, I am referring to the disillusioned resident who posted @ 1.59pm.

Why use the word suspect when someone puts a reasonable point of view over, isnt that what democracy is all about listening to others points of view without reacting in this manner and attacking anyone who disagrees with them.

Reading through the numerous posts on here that seems to be the thread all of the way through the residents, the ones who actually put their X’s on the ballot paper are telling the Labour Party loud and clear that they want these people on the ballot paper, these are the people they will vote for, and it is a foolish party that ignores that message.

As for this persons reference to the posters on here handing the borough to the BNP I would suggest that the only people that are going to do that are the Mafia.

So please do not attack people for putting what they feel needs to be said on here, there is no shame in it, and in fact it is far better to have this out in the open than in the dark where plots and conspiracy always fester.

IN reply to molly, arent you condradicting yourself, arent you attacking everyone at north st, most had nothing to do with what has happened, by referring im a troll,you dont evenknow me,I have not belittled or slagged of any of the people who believe an injustice has been done, I agree that things should be out in the open and sorted out properly, but to tar eveyone with the same brush is morally wrong
and inciting a divide and attacking everyone else because they dont sing from the same hymn sheet as you is just as bad,I HAVE read all the comments and not all of them are from residents,as always when these sort of things happen ,you get a a small amount of mindless morons who will use the situation to cause trouble,lets face it the last few letters wasntanything to do with the original protest, it seems they want to disrupt the whole borogh
you believe what you want to, its yuor choice,but dont attack everyone
at north st or else where who had no part in any decisions made .

IN reply to molly, arent you condradicting yourself, arent you attacking everyone at north st, most had nothing to do with what has happened, by referring im a troll,you dont evenknow me,I have not belittled or slagged of any of the people who believe an injustice has been done, I agree that things should be out in the open and sorted out properly, but to tar eveyone with the same brush is morally wrong
and inciting a divide and attacking everyone else because they dont sing from the same hymn sheet as you is just as bad,I HAVE read all the comments and not all of them are from residents,as always when these sort of things happen ,you get a a small amount of mindless morons who will use the situation to cause trouble,lets face it the last few letters wasntanything to do with the original protest, it seems they want to disrupt the whole borogh
you believe what you want to, its yuor choice,but dont attack everyone
at north st or else where who had no part in any decisions made .

Lets also remember that the people making their comments on this site are predominantly Thames Ward Residents and it is up to the people in the other wards to fight for their own councillors.

Whatever or whoever, it is still the North Street Mafia who have caused this furore. I wonder if anyone has pointed George Shaw in the direction of this site. Perhaps if he could read these comments he would realise what he has done to his own reputation.

Finally, everyone is entitled to their own views, and this country does have free speech.

Lets also remember that the people making their comments on this site are predominantly Thames Ward Residents and it is up to the people in the other wards to fight for their own councillors.

Whatever or whoever, it is still the North Street Mafia who have caused this furore. I wonder if anyone has pointed George Shaw in the direction of this site. Perhaps if he could read these comments he would realise what he has done to his own reputation.

Finally, everyone is entitled to their own views, and this country does have free speech.

It seems the dear lady, Margaret Hodge wants total control of Barking & Dagenham Council. She wants to control 6 wards out of the 11. The 6 on the “Hit List” are Abbey, Gascoigne, Thames, Becontree, Longbridge and Eastbury. If she gets 18 of her Councillors elected she controls the Council. It very much looks as though she will get her way, that is why they got rid off Alok from Becontree, Jeanne from Abbey, Val from Gascoigne, Fred from Thames and others. They will be replaced by Laila Butt, Darren Rodwell, Dominic Twomey, Chris and Linda Rice and others. God Help Us !

It seems the dear lady, Margaret Hodge wants total control of Barking & Dagenham Council. She wants to control 6 wards out of the 11. The 6 on the “Hit List” are Abbey, Gascoigne, Thames, Becontree, Longbridge and Eastbury. If she gets 18 of her Councillors elected she controls the Council. It very much looks as though she will get her way, that is why they got rid off Alok from Becontree, Jeanne from Abbey, Val from Gascoigne, Fred from Thames and others. They will be replaced by Laila Butt, Darren Rodwell, Dominic Twomey, Chris and Linda Rice and others. God Help Us !

It’s disappointing that “The Overall Picture” as has many other people who have chosen to comment on this article have done so without having the nerve to put their name next to what they believe in. However they are very quick to name other people in their comments without their expressed permission or even make sure the points being made are actually factual.

I think for the greater good of the Labour Party in Barking and Dagenham that these discussion need to take place in the remits that are available. If rules are being broken then let the proof be forthcoming. For those residents whom are not part of the labour party you have the choice next May who you want to vote for based on who the parties put forward. If you were so concerned previously then maybe you should have joined so you had a voice.

There is little that can be done now by forum discussions like these and local paper reports other then to damage the labour party as a whole and both our MPs. The only people that will benefit will be the ones we should be fighting – the BNP.

Unfortunatly from what I can make out this whole debate hasn’t been about politics or policy but about personalities, and that those who should be taking these comments on board for the greater good of Barking and Dagenham will only seek to criticise them. For anyone that is a sitting councilor they should have the experience to know better, and those who are hoping to be elected need to learn fast.

Despite what differences you might have with somebody and their poltics I think that the timing of this article has been in bad taste as regardless of what we think of Margaret Hodge we should have at least some respect for her and her family who are greiving the loss of a husband and father.

As the last commenter pointed out – GOD HELP US overcome our differences for the greater good of residents

It’s disappointing that “The Overall Picture” as has many other people who have chosen to comment on this article have done so without having the nerve to put their name next to what they believe in. However they are very quick to name other people in their comments without their expressed permission or even make sure the points being made are actually factual.

I think for the greater good of the Labour Party in Barking and Dagenham that these discussion need to take place in the remits that are available. If rules are being broken then let the proof be forthcoming. For those residents whom are not part of the labour party you have the choice next May who you want to vote for based on who the parties put forward. If you were so concerned previously then maybe you should have joined so you had a voice.

There is little that can be done now by forum discussions like these and local paper reports other then to damage the labour party as a whole and both our MPs. The only people that will benefit will be the ones we should be fighting – the BNP.

Unfortunatly from what I can make out this whole debate hasn’t been about politics or policy but about personalities, and that those who should be taking these comments on board for the greater good of Barking and Dagenham will only seek to criticise them. For anyone that is a sitting councilor they should have the experience to know better, and those who are hoping to be elected need to learn fast.

Despite what differences you might have with somebody and their poltics I think that the timing of this article has been in bad taste as regardless of what we think of Margaret Hodge we should have at least some respect for her and her family who are greiving the loss of a husband and father.

As the last commenter pointed out – GOD HELP US overcome our differences for the greater good of residents

A couple of days catching up to do this evening, and I have to say that it only takes one or two flies in the ointment for healthy debate and discussion to turn into a slanging match.

It does appear that disillusioned resident appears to take offence at anyone who attacks North Street or the practices operating out of there labeling all who are not in that camp but support their councillors as “mindless morons” How would he/she be able to tell that all who post on here are not residents?

And as for Ashley Singh, I dont believe there is any need to involve Dagenham in this matter, I believe that it has already been mentioned in a previous post that Dagenham are totally separate from Barking when it comes to these matters.

AS then goes onto tell us that he/she can see no further need for this or articles in the local paper to continue. Well that is one view point I suppose, I am pretty sure the Labour Party would love it if everybody shut up and let themselves be walked over, and as for raising the matter of damage to the party, are you for real? do you not read the national newspapers, do you not recognize the mortal damage that has already been done to the party by MPs and others, please rest assured this matter in Barking may very well just put a suffering animal to rest.

But at the same time could give rise to a more democratic party that is prepared as the majority of people who have posted on here to be open and honest. which listens to its voters, and has the courage to say we were wrong, we misjudged the mood of the electorate, and thereby re-instate those members who have been de-selected and start to bring back a true Labour Party to Barking.

A couple of days catching up to do this evening, and I have to say that it only takes one or two flies in the ointment for healthy debate and discussion to turn into a slanging match.

It does appear that disillusioned resident appears to take offence at anyone who attacks North Street or the practices operating out of there labeling all who are not in that camp but support their councillors as “mindless morons” How would he/she be able to tell that all who post on here are not residents?

And as for Ashley Singh, I dont believe there is any need to involve Dagenham in this matter, I believe that it has already been mentioned in a previous post that Dagenham are totally separate from Barking when it comes to these matters.

AS then goes onto tell us that he/she can see no further need for this or articles in the local paper to continue. Well that is one view point I suppose, I am pretty sure the Labour Party would love it if everybody shut up and let themselves be walked over, and as for raising the matter of damage to the party, are you for real? do you not read the national newspapers, do you not recognize the mortal damage that has already been done to the party by MPs and others, please rest assured this matter in Barking may very well just put a suffering animal to rest.

But at the same time could give rise to a more democratic party that is prepared as the majority of people who have posted on here to be open and honest. which listens to its voters, and has the courage to say we were wrong, we misjudged the mood of the electorate, and thereby re-instate those members who have been de-selected and start to bring back a true Labour Party to Barking.

Well said del (above comment 7.21p.m.

There are people posting on here that have irrefutable first hand evidence of what went on at the selections on 18th June, but for various reasons cannot dare to give their own names.

They would like to, but prudence says they mustn’t. However they still want the truth to be known.

Well said del (above comment 7.21p.m.

There are people posting on here that have irrefutable first hand evidence of what went on at the selections on 18th June, but for various reasons cannot dare to give their own names.

They would like to, but prudence says they mustn’t. However they still want the truth to be known.

Regarding Mr Ashley Singh

Were you there on the 18th. If you were why are you trying to stop people having their say, and the papers from reporting what went on?

If you weren’t there, I suggest you keep your your silly mouth shut.

Regarding Mr Ashley Singh

Were you there on the 18th. If you were why are you trying to stop people having their say, and the papers from reporting what went on?

If you weren’t there, I suggest you keep your your silly mouth shut.

As a resident in Dagenham for 30 years I am surprised at some of the comments I’ve read. I don’t know about the others, but Margaret Hodge is a hard working local MP. She does lots for the local area and she has people who knock on doors and listen to what we have to say. I hadn’t heard from anyone in the local Labour Party for 20 years until a couple of years ago. It’s about time the local Labour Party started to listen. Good luck to her.

Neither I nor my friends have met any of the councillors who have been named. They haven’t knocked on our doors. The BNP have – twice. They won’t be getting my vote but that’s because of my renewed confidence in the work I see being done by Margaret Hodge.

Keep going Margaret. You have the support of ordinary residents of this borough – who are the silent majority. We’re the ones that matter.

As a resident in Dagenham for 30 years I am surprised at some of the comments I’ve read. I don’t know about the others, but Margaret Hodge is a hard working local MP. She does lots for the local area and she has people who knock on doors and listen to what we have to say. I hadn’t heard from anyone in the local Labour Party for 20 years until a couple of years ago. It’s about time the local Labour Party started to listen. Good luck to her.

Neither I nor my friends have met any of the councillors who have been named. They haven’t knocked on our doors. The BNP have – twice. They won’t be getting my vote but that’s because of my renewed confidence in the work I see being done by Margaret Hodge.

Keep going Margaret. You have the support of ordinary residents of this borough – who are the silent majority. We’re the ones that matter.

Support our hardworking cllr Fred Barns

Say NO Fred NO Vote to Labour !

Details of where to get your window poster will be posted on here later today

Support our hardworking cllr Fred Barns

Say NO Fred NO Vote to Labour !

Details of where to get your window poster will be posted on here later today

window posters??
what next,t shirts,badges, mugs,
a spot on the jeremy kyle show,
just shows how ridiculous this is all
getting

GROW UP
YOURE SUPPOSED TO BE ADULTS NOT SCHOOLCHILDREN

window posters??
what next,t shirts,badges, mugs,
a spot on the jeremy kyle show,
just shows how ridiculous this is all
getting

GROW UP
YOURE SUPPOSED TO BE ADULTS NOT SCHOOLCHILDREN

The reason that I am writing on this forum is because I am truly dedicated to getting the BNP out of Barking and Dagenham. I am fed up to the back teeth of this ongoing saga, and the rudeness of some of those involved. I can’t stress enough in my comments that the party members should be talking to each other through the right methods that are available and there ARE things available rather then this forum and the local press. It’s not about democracy or hiding things from the public, but the fact that we are damaging our party. The BNP are laughing at Labour’s inability to communicate with each other, and sort out our own politics without washing our dirty laundry in public. They really do have the upper hand at the moment. I have decided not to continue contributing to these discussions as the majority of comments being made are those who are fighting their own agendas and not for the good of our party or our borough. My family and I will continue in our work on the ground to try and undo the damage that is going on to prevent the BNP gaining more support and hope that as many of you as possible will join us rather then using every opportunity to slate each other. Come 2010 lets hope we wont all be hanging our heads in shame as the first BNP council take control.

The reason that I am writing on this forum is because I am truly dedicated to getting the BNP out of Barking and Dagenham. I am fed up to the back teeth of this ongoing saga, and the rudeness of some of those involved. I can’t stress enough in my comments that the party members should be talking to each other through the right methods that are available and there ARE things available rather then this forum and the local press. It’s not about democracy or hiding things from the public, but the fact that we are damaging our party. The BNP are laughing at Labour’s inability to communicate with each other, and sort out our own politics without washing our dirty laundry in public. They really do have the upper hand at the moment. I have decided not to continue contributing to these discussions as the majority of comments being made are those who are fighting their own agendas and not for the good of our party or our borough. My family and I will continue in our work on the ground to try and undo the damage that is going on to prevent the BNP gaining more support and hope that as many of you as possible will join us rather then using every opportunity to slate each other. Come 2010 lets hope we wont all be hanging our heads in shame as the first BNP council take control.

Well it certainly looks as though people have got up early this morning.

We say goodbye to Ash Singh who obviously realises that he/she has lost their argument, there is mention of our party and our borough, well the Labour Party has always been a broad church, and has always encouraged debate, and why shouldnt people who firmly believe they have been treated unjustly speak where they can, and why cannot their supporters do the same. There is obviously no forum within the Barking Party for this to happen.

And once again we have disillusioned resident who it seems cannot construct a coherent sentance but hurls abuse, I should imagine this is the style at the party meetings.

And then finally we have Mary from Dagenham, now it seems Mary really likes M Hodge and thinks she is capable of turning water into wine, but the question Mary should be asking is WHY is M Hodge canvassing in Dagenham, why is she and Barking party working in any Dagenham wards?

The boundary changes do not come into place until 2010 and in fact M Hodge and Barking party are in breach of the protocol rules in that they have canvassed and obviously worked in another MPs constituency, in fact if you check on M Hodge website she actually states it on there.

So Mary please dont get carried away just yet.

Well it certainly looks as though people have got up early this morning.

We say goodbye to Ash Singh who obviously realises that he/she has lost their argument, there is mention of our party and our borough, well the Labour Party has always been a broad church, and has always encouraged debate, and why shouldnt people who firmly believe they have been treated unjustly speak where they can, and why cannot their supporters do the same. There is obviously no forum within the Barking Party for this to happen.

And once again we have disillusioned resident who it seems cannot construct a coherent sentance but hurls abuse, I should imagine this is the style at the party meetings.

And then finally we have Mary from Dagenham, now it seems Mary really likes M Hodge and thinks she is capable of turning water into wine, but the question Mary should be asking is WHY is M Hodge canvassing in Dagenham, why is she and Barking party working in any Dagenham wards?

The boundary changes do not come into place until 2010 and in fact M Hodge and Barking party are in breach of the protocol rules in that they have canvassed and obviously worked in another MPs constituency, in fact if you check on M Hodge website she actually states it on there.

So Mary please dont get carried away just yet.

A mate of mine has just sent me a link to this. I’m interested in joining the Labour Party.

What a joke!

These councillors on a basic of £10,006. Some of them mentioned are getting £17,510 on top of this. But we’ve never seen any of them. They don’t knock on doors and I’ve never received a leaflet from one of them.

Now, when their necks are on the line they suddenly want an audience.

Barking Labour Party must be doing something right – at last!

I don’t want the BNP running my community.

If Labour can demonstrate locally that it’s finally getting its act together, count me in.

A mate of mine has just sent me a link to this. I’m interested in joining the Labour Party.

What a joke!

These councillors on a basic of £10,006. Some of them mentioned are getting £17,510 on top of this. But we’ve never seen any of them. They don’t knock on doors and I’ve never received a leaflet from one of them.

Now, when their necks are on the line they suddenly want an audience.

Barking Labour Party must be doing something right – at last!

I don’t want the BNP running my community.

If Labour can demonstrate locally that it’s finally getting its act together, count me in.

I urge all the councillors that were deselected to stand as independent. They would definately get back into the ward they were kicked out of.
We all know this was a fix, that’s for sure, so fight back and win win win!!

I urge all the councillors that were deselected to stand as independent. They would definately get back into the ward they were kicked out of.
We all know this was a fix, that’s for sure, so fight back and win win win!!

I think the councillors should be selected for election on their merit basis other then any other grounds e.g.supporting friends, family etc etc etc.

As far as I am concerned as a resident in Thames ward the most supported councillor were Fred Barns and I am very disappointed to learn that Fred were deselected, and at the same time I am pleased that the selection panel accepted his appeal.

As a community activist I will urge the relevant personals, authorities and others involved in the selection process to make sure a winning cadidate to be selected to avoid a BIG disappointment by losing all or most seats to the BNP candidates.

As a labour party suppoter I will be happy to see the local selected councillors to win in the next year’s election. Fred is a very likely winning cadidate in Thames Ward.

Many Thanks.

I think the councillors should be selected for election on their merit basis other then any other grounds e.g.supporting friends, family etc etc etc.

As far as I am concerned as a resident in Thames ward the most supported councillor were Fred Barns and I am very disappointed to learn that Fred were deselected, and at the same time I am pleased that the selection panel accepted his appeal.

As a community activist I will urge the relevant personals, authorities and others involved in the selection process to make sure a winning cadidate to be selected to avoid a BIG disappointment by losing all or most seats to the BNP candidates.

As a labour party suppoter I will be happy to see the local selected councillors to win in the next year’s election. Fred is a very likely winning cadidate in Thames Ward.

Many Thanks.

I see from recent comments that Margaret Hodge and her followers are reading this, taking note (I hope )and from what I see having to but nasty comments on to boost themselves. In reply to whatever a councillor earns, if they are as hard working as Fred Barns is for Thames Ward ie availiable 24/7 they are worth it. Lets remember Fred has not asked for this. The residents are the ones forging ahead we are the ones who are disgusted with the way he has been treated. First he was deselected which had to be reversed on appeal because the allegations did not hold up ( even though Margaret Hodge had announced it to Thames residents that they would be getting a new councillor ) then because George Shaws vendetta not being selected as a candidate for Thames Ward. So please dont insult Fred more by saying he is making a fuss now because of his salary as a councillor. If thats your only defence for this its a disgrace. Keep your head held high Fred your constituants are behind you. Pity Labour cant see they are missing out on much needed votes on Thames Ward.

I see from recent comments that Margaret Hodge and her followers are reading this, taking note (I hope )and from what I see having to but nasty comments on to boost themselves. In reply to whatever a councillor earns, if they are as hard working as Fred Barns is for Thames Ward ie availiable 24/7 they are worth it. Lets remember Fred has not asked for this. The residents are the ones forging ahead we are the ones who are disgusted with the way he has been treated. First he was deselected which had to be reversed on appeal because the allegations did not hold up ( even though Margaret Hodge had announced it to Thames residents that they would be getting a new councillor ) then because George Shaws vendetta not being selected as a candidate for Thames Ward. So please dont insult Fred more by saying he is making a fuss now because of his salary as a councillor. If thats your only defence for this its a disgrace. Keep your head held high Fred your constituants are behind you. Pity Labour cant see they are missing out on much needed votes on Thames Ward.

In reply to Mary fields (dagenham Residents) early morning entry I am very suprised to hear Margaret Hodge is Knocking on doors in Dagenham as she is not your MP she is ours in Barking dear oh dear! Also you would surley not be expecting to have our thames Ward councillor Fred Barns knocking on your dagenham door when he is busy working for us in barking. Lets remember from earlier comments Barking Labour Party and Dagenham Labour Party are seperate and it would seem Margaret Hodge wants to get her cronies into Barking Wards. So back to the origanal points Thames Ward residents want the injustices reversed in this selection process and Fred Barns to be our Candidate for councillor at the next election. Also in reply to the earlier comment we are not schoolchildren we are adults and unlike some of you dont have large budgets to promote ourselves we are doing what we can and let the snowball effect keep rolling. We want Fred Barns as our councillor.

In reply to Mary fields (dagenham Residents) early morning entry I am very suprised to hear Margaret Hodge is Knocking on doors in Dagenham as she is not your MP she is ours in Barking dear oh dear! Also you would surley not be expecting to have our thames Ward councillor Fred Barns knocking on your dagenham door when he is busy working for us in barking. Lets remember from earlier comments Barking Labour Party and Dagenham Labour Party are seperate and it would seem Margaret Hodge wants to get her cronies into Barking Wards. So back to the origanal points Thames Ward residents want the injustices reversed in this selection process and Fred Barns to be our Candidate for councillor at the next election. Also in reply to the earlier comment we are not schoolchildren we are adults and unlike some of you dont have large budgets to promote ourselves we are doing what we can and let the snowball effect keep rolling. We want Fred Barns as our councillor.

I am not an extremely political person but I have read the comments on this site with interest. Am I wrong in thinking that the aim of ANY political party is the try and dispel the main threat , which in the case of Barking and Dagenham is the BNP. Therefore shouldn’t the Labour Party be pulling together to try and defeat the enemy instead of making enemies within their own army?
Perhaps the Councillors who have been deselected could put some of their time, knowledge and experience into encouraging the new Councillors to carry on with all the positive things that they themselves have acheived over the years, and try to discourage them from falling into the trap of making disparaging remarks and having personality clashes made public. Everyone has differences of opinions but these should be left in the classroom and not brought out into the playground.
Not everyone will agree with the comments posted by a disillusioned resident but they were short and to the point, he or she was perhaps saying what some people were thinking
but have not had the courage to say them.

I am not an extremely political person but I have read the comments on this site with interest. Am I wrong in thinking that the aim of ANY political party is the try and dispel the main threat , which in the case of Barking and Dagenham is the BNP. Therefore shouldn’t the Labour Party be pulling together to try and defeat the enemy instead of making enemies within their own army?
Perhaps the Councillors who have been deselected could put some of their time, knowledge and experience into encouraging the new Councillors to carry on with all the positive things that they themselves have acheived over the years, and try to discourage them from falling into the trap of making disparaging remarks and having personality clashes made public. Everyone has differences of opinions but these should be left in the classroom and not brought out into the playground.
Not everyone will agree with the comments posted by a disillusioned resident but they were short and to the point, he or she was perhaps saying what some people were thinking
but have not had the courage to say them.

To Baffled from dagenham I dont see any comments from Cllr Fred Barns on here so I dont think your comment about discouraging councillors from making disparaging remarks is fair.

As far as I know residents of thames Ward do still have freedom of speech.

As for giving advise to new candidates I am sure they have had enough coaching from there sponser Margaret Hodge.

I would agree that the main aim of any political party is to dispel its main threat but unfortunately for Labour on Thames ward that is Margaret Hodge and her side kick George Shaw. Please keep to the facts and help us get the barking labour party to accept the foul play that has been done here in Thames Ward.

To Baffled from dagenham I dont see any comments from Cllr Fred Barns on here so I dont think your comment about discouraging councillors from making disparaging remarks is fair.

As far as I know residents of thames Ward do still have freedom of speech.

As for giving advise to new candidates I am sure they have had enough coaching from there sponser Margaret Hodge.

I would agree that the main aim of any political party is to dispel its main threat but unfortunately for Labour on Thames ward that is Margaret Hodge and her side kick George Shaw. Please keep to the facts and help us get the barking labour party to accept the foul play that has been done here in Thames Ward.

Reply to: disillussioned resident :
Date: June 27, 2009 @ 8:34 am

It would seem it is people like you whom give these sites a bad name ( this is being used in the right way letting local people have a say!!)

Please stay off this site as your stupid comments are not required or i will name whom you are and the other names you are also using to spout your rubbish.

TO EVERYONE ELSE THAT HAS USED THIS SITE IN RESPONSIBLE WAY …… GOOD ON YOU WE NEED TO GET OURS VIEWS HEARD LOUD & CLEAR AND I WOULD LIKE TO LET YOU KNOW WE DO HAVE THE LABOUR PARTY RUNNING SCARED ! , AND RIGHTLY SO THIS IS NOT GOING TO GO AWAY TILL THE SELECTION VOTE IS RE-CAST.

Reply to: disillussioned resident :
Date: June 27, 2009 @ 8:34 am

It would seem it is people like you whom give these sites a bad name ( this is being used in the right way letting local people have a say!!)

Please stay off this site as your stupid comments are not required or i will name whom you are and the other names you are also using to spout your rubbish.

TO EVERYONE ELSE THAT HAS USED THIS SITE IN RESPONSIBLE WAY …… GOOD ON YOU WE NEED TO GET OURS VIEWS HEARD LOUD & CLEAR AND I WOULD LIKE TO LET YOU KNOW WE DO HAVE THE LABOUR PARTY RUNNING SCARED ! , AND RIGHTLY SO THIS IS NOT GOING TO GO AWAY TILL THE SELECTION VOTE IS RE-CAST.

I am totally disillusioned with both local and central government, and their dirty dealings. A cynic once said that a democracy is a place where you are free to do as you are told. How true this is of the Barking Constituency Labour Party! I for one will not be renewing my Labour Party membership.

I am totally disillusioned with both local and central government, and their dirty dealings. A cynic once said that a democracy is a place where you are free to do as you are told. How true this is of the Barking Constituency Labour Party! I for one will not be renewing my Labour Party membership.

in reply to resident
since when has this site been owned by you.ITS OPEN TO ANY ONE WHO WISHES TO MAKE A COMMENT,whether for fred or against,as for giving the site a bad name.judging by the furore ,some people have already done that for their own aims.
as for naming me . then go on have a go, at the sametime try naming yourself,and i have not used any other names, so think again

in reply to resident
since when has this site been owned by you.ITS OPEN TO ANY ONE WHO WISHES TO MAKE A COMMENT,whether for fred or against,as for giving the site a bad name.judging by the furore ,some people have already done that for their own aims.
as for naming me . then go on have a go, at the sametime try naming yourself,and i have not used any other names, so think again

I do hope the residents from Thames do not mind me posting on here in support of Val and keeping you up to date with what we are doing.

Like yourselves we have a massive petition ongoing, people and groups who Val has helped along the way overr the last 15 years are contacting us and signing up. We have also been made aware that there is a large petition being collected among the trade unions.

We are also in the process of collecting evidence of the lies, and mis-leading evidence that has been presented to London Region and spread around by North Street. We have had a lot of help on this some of which has been from a most unexpected source, certainly the evidence collected about the person who wants to replace her on the ward is very explosive.

We also have a fighting fund, people in the Borough are really generous especially if its to help a person they really do care about.

We have also sought independent legal advice, and have found that even in the policies and procedures of the Labour Party they are still required to operate within the Human Rights Act, and cannot therefor discriminate on disability, like they first tried with Fred, sexism, or race. And it has been reported to us that there has been a breach of party rules on these last 2 grounds.

We will continue to campaign for Val and one way or another she will be our Councillor on the Gascoigne, and take note Labour No Val No Vote for Labour.

I do hope the residents from Thames do not mind me posting on here in support of Val and keeping you up to date with what we are doing.

Like yourselves we have a massive petition ongoing, people and groups who Val has helped along the way overr the last 15 years are contacting us and signing up. We have also been made aware that there is a large petition being collected among the trade unions.

We are also in the process of collecting evidence of the lies, and mis-leading evidence that has been presented to London Region and spread around by North Street. We have had a lot of help on this some of which has been from a most unexpected source, certainly the evidence collected about the person who wants to replace her on the ward is very explosive.

We also have a fighting fund, people in the Borough are really generous especially if its to help a person they really do care about.

We have also sought independent legal advice, and have found that even in the policies and procedures of the Labour Party they are still required to operate within the Human Rights Act, and cannot therefor discriminate on disability, like they first tried with Fred, sexism, or race. And it has been reported to us that there has been a breach of party rules on these last 2 grounds.

We will continue to campaign for Val and one way or another she will be our Councillor on the Gascoigne, and take note Labour No Val No Vote for Labour.

This is confusing.

One minute we have support being expressed for one, and then the next minute another one jumps in to say “don’t forget me!”

Methinks there be division within the camp.

Isn’t it time we were told what these councillors really think from THEM directly?

Let the record show that we have asked them to respond.

“Are you going to stand as independents?”

Don’t keep claiming the councillors’ allowances while hiding behind others making statements in your name.

We want to know what YOU think?

Do you support the campaign for you to stand as an independent, Mrs Rush?

Well, do you?

The tax payers of this Borough deserve to know.

This is confusing.

One minute we have support being expressed for one, and then the next minute another one jumps in to say “don’t forget me!”

Methinks there be division within the camp.

Isn’t it time we were told what these councillors really think from THEM directly?

Let the record show that we have asked them to respond.

“Are you going to stand as independents?”

Don’t keep claiming the councillors’ allowances while hiding behind others making statements in your name.

We want to know what YOU think?

Do you support the campaign for you to stand as an independent, Mrs Rush?

Well, do you?

The tax payers of this Borough deserve to know.

I do wish that people would stop remarking on these red herrings on here as we all know that their is a very fishy smell and the whole system of selection process stinks. I am not ashamed to put my name to my comment as We need to stop these distractions and stick to our original reasons which is to make people aware that Cllr Fred Barns was allowed to be unfairly treated by one person holding a vendetta ( chair of labour party Mr George Shaw ), As a direct result of the corruption on the evening of 18th June selection panel meeting Our harding working councillor Mr Fred Barns will not be standing to represent the Thames Ward in 2010 elections ( please see this weeks POST for full story) The whole process needs to be re-cast in the proper way without further delay.

Many of us on Thames Ward have known Fred Barns for many years from back when he was a long standing borough officer working tirelessly for the community and youth of this ward , He has a proven track record and has been our ward councillor for the last 2 elections and has been a loyal labour party member , hardworking, capable, efficient, councillor whom is an asset to the labour party he has not only attracted the most votes on the ward elections over the past years but this in it’s self must speak volumes to the labour party. I believe in the old saying “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it” ask yourself why would we want to change to the unknown of new councillors in this ward.

Lets support Cllr Fred Barns and make sure the the labour party stick to the rules and cast the whole selection process again.

Remember it is us the residents of this ward whom pay our hard earned money to live in Thames ward , we pays our money let us make our choice of whom we want to work as councillors on this ward !!! ( i am not staying don’t select new members to stand along side our current hardworking councillors as the ballot box will say whom we the people want !!) if Labour do not see this huge mistake that has been allowed to happen by one mans error’s and personal issues this could be the end for labour in this ward and that would be a shame.

**advice**for the people in other wards whom have problem with the loss of councillors you need to contact the post & tribune and other news papers get your voices heard this will really help good luck

I do wish that people would stop remarking on these red herrings on here as we all know that their is a very fishy smell and the whole system of selection process stinks. I am not ashamed to put my name to my comment as We need to stop these distractions and stick to our original reasons which is to make people aware that Cllr Fred Barns was allowed to be unfairly treated by one person holding a vendetta ( chair of labour party Mr George Shaw ), As a direct result of the corruption on the evening of 18th June selection panel meeting Our harding working councillor Mr Fred Barns will not be standing to represent the Thames Ward in 2010 elections ( please see this weeks POST for full story) The whole process needs to be re-cast in the proper way without further delay.

Many of us on Thames Ward have known Fred Barns for many years from back when he was a long standing borough officer working tirelessly for the community and youth of this ward , He has a proven track record and has been our ward councillor for the last 2 elections and has been a loyal labour party member , hardworking, capable, efficient, councillor whom is an asset to the labour party he has not only attracted the most votes on the ward elections over the past years but this in it’s self must speak volumes to the labour party. I believe in the old saying “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it” ask yourself why would we want to change to the unknown of new councillors in this ward.

Lets support Cllr Fred Barns and make sure the the labour party stick to the rules and cast the whole selection process again.

Remember it is us the residents of this ward whom pay our hard earned money to live in Thames ward , we pays our money let us make our choice of whom we want to work as councillors on this ward !!! ( i am not staying don’t select new members to stand along side our current hardworking councillors as the ballot box will say whom we the people want !!) if Labour do not see this huge mistake that has been allowed to happen by one mans error’s and personal issues this could be the end for labour in this ward and that would be a shame.

**advice**for the people in other wards whom have problem with the loss of councillors you need to contact the post & tribune and other news papers get your voices heard this will really help good luck

REPLY TO : David Dagenham

I am not sure if you are aware but under labour party rules a current serving councillor is not allowed to comment or remark on any of these issues or questions, as they will have their whip taken away.

It is up to us the residents of barking & dagenham to campaign on behalf of our councillors and make sure they are re-selected to stand in 2010 elections as they are powerless to fight this war on de-selection.

As i like you pays my money so i want to take my choice.

good luck

REPLY TO : David Dagenham

I am not sure if you are aware but under labour party rules a current serving councillor is not allowed to comment or remark on any of these issues or questions, as they will have their whip taken away.

It is up to us the residents of barking & dagenham to campaign on behalf of our councillors and make sure they are re-selected to stand in 2010 elections as they are powerless to fight this war on de-selection.

As i like you pays my money so i want to take my choice.

good luck

Can I respond to David in Dagenham and also thank Julie Munroe in Thames Ward for pointing out to David what the rules are.

David you have obviously not read the article that set off this thread, there were a number of councillors mentioned in the article, J Denyer, F Barns and Val Rush plus it was noted that others had also been deselected.

So to try and stir things up with supporters of different members is a very stupid and silly thing to do, there is no split in the camp and you put it, information, ideas and suggestions can and will be suggested across the campaigns, a lot of residents on the Gascoigne know Fred Barns through his work as the Principal youth officer and also the support he gave in the ward during his time as Mayor and Dep Mayor, in the same way as a lot of residents in Thames will know Val Rush.

So your very stupid attempt to provoke a row is just that a stupid attempt.

And if as you say you are considering joining the Labour Party as a resident of Dagenham you will of course come under Dagenham CLP and not Barking, and what we are being told and I am sure Thames are to is that party members and councillors are very supportive of Fred and Val, so we wouldnt advise you to go to a party meeting over there shouting your mouth of like this.

Can I respond to David in Dagenham and also thank Julie Munroe in Thames Ward for pointing out to David what the rules are.

David you have obviously not read the article that set off this thread, there were a number of councillors mentioned in the article, J Denyer, F Barns and Val Rush plus it was noted that others had also been deselected.

So to try and stir things up with supporters of different members is a very stupid and silly thing to do, there is no split in the camp and you put it, information, ideas and suggestions can and will be suggested across the campaigns, a lot of residents on the Gascoigne know Fred Barns through his work as the Principal youth officer and also the support he gave in the ward during his time as Mayor and Dep Mayor, in the same way as a lot of residents in Thames will know Val Rush.

So your very stupid attempt to provoke a row is just that a stupid attempt.

And if as you say you are considering joining the Labour Party as a resident of Dagenham you will of course come under Dagenham CLP and not Barking, and what we are being told and I am sure Thames are to is that party members and councillors are very supportive of Fred and Val, so we wouldnt advise you to go to a party meeting over there shouting your mouth of like this.

To say the least I am disappointed at being deselected by the Labour Party. I believe I have supported them well during my time in Office and being refused on the grounds of “Lack of Canvessing” and lack of understanding of Equalities matters is somewhat dubious. Is it that they wanted me out because I did not
blindly follow the party line and put the causes of those residents that elected me first is not for me to say but when I look at the other sitting councillors who have been deselected I am proud to be part of that group!
I will be standing in the 2010 elections not to spite Labour but to support the residents that have supported me since 2002.

Labour London Office appear to be working to a different agenda to what the public want, or expect, of them.

I may not be re-elected but I am sure that the vast majority of of those selected to stand as Labour candidates because the blindly follow like lemmings will not be elected either and the only people that will suffer will be the residents of Barking & Dagenham who deserve far better from a party that they have supported since before the War (the 2nd NOT BLAIR’S)

To say the least I am disappointed at being deselected by the Labour Party. I believe I have supported them well during my time in Office and being refused on the grounds of “Lack of Canvessing” and lack of understanding of Equalities matters is somewhat dubious. Is it that they wanted me out because I did not
blindly follow the party line and put the causes of those residents that elected me first is not for me to say but when I look at the other sitting councillors who have been deselected I am proud to be part of that group!
I will be standing in the 2010 elections not to spite Labour but to support the residents that have supported me since 2002.

Labour London Office appear to be working to a different agenda to what the public want, or expect, of them.

I may not be re-elected but I am sure that the vast majority of of those selected to stand as Labour candidates because the blindly follow like lemmings will not be elected either and the only people that will suffer will be the residents of Barking & Dagenham who deserve far better from a party that they have supported since before the War (the 2nd NOT BLAIR’S)

Well Done John. If you were in my ward I would vote for you. I have always found you to be a hard working and decent man who has the best interests of the many and the Borough.

Well Done John. If you were in my ward I would vote for you. I have always found you to be a hard working and decent man who has the best interests of the many and the Borough.

My sympathy goes to all those councillors who were deselected at the hands of the Labour party. It definately seems strings were being pulled to get rid of anyone whos face did not fit with Margaret Hodge.
I hope your campaigns are sucessful.

I agree the origanal article in the tribune was mainly about this corrupt process however since that went to press our fight in Thames Ward does go deeper.

SO please remember Fred Barns was one of the councillors deselected but unlike Val and John he went on to win his appeal and would have been allowed to stand as a labour Councillor candidate in Thames Ward. Something he was proud to do.

However the local labour Party were not going to let that happen so took it upon themselves (back to George Shaw and his croanies)to make sure Freds name was not going to be on the shortlist of candidates for Thames ward.

Hopefully all can see the real injustice thats been done here a double kick in the teeth for our Fred and Thames ward.

I must just add if this is not true how come George Shaw has not come forward to defend this outrage or indeed Margaret Hodge not put a stop to this.

My sympathy goes to all those councillors who were deselected at the hands of the Labour party. It definately seems strings were being pulled to get rid of anyone whos face did not fit with Margaret Hodge.
I hope your campaigns are sucessful.

I agree the origanal article in the tribune was mainly about this corrupt process however since that went to press our fight in Thames Ward does go deeper.

SO please remember Fred Barns was one of the councillors deselected but unlike Val and John he went on to win his appeal and would have been allowed to stand as a labour Councillor candidate in Thames Ward. Something he was proud to do.

However the local labour Party were not going to let that happen so took it upon themselves (back to George Shaw and his croanies)to make sure Freds name was not going to be on the shortlist of candidates for Thames ward.

Hopefully all can see the real injustice thats been done here a double kick in the teeth for our Fred and Thames ward.

I must just add if this is not true how come George Shaw has not come forward to defend this outrage or indeed Margaret Hodge not put a stop to this.

John Denyer has stated what he intends to stand as an independent. He has shown he has some convictions.

This whip thing sounds like it’s being used as a smoke screen.

If it is something that you have to abide by if you are a member of a group of councillors but you don’t intend to be part of that group, then surely it no longer applies to you?

We deserve to know where the other councillors stand. Are they with John, or not?

You must see that you cannot keep drawing down the salary of being councillor under one banner if you don’t intend to stand under that banner.

Where stand you, Mrs Rush and Mr Barns?

Do you support John Denyer in his principled stand?

The taxpayers who pay your salaries need to know.

John Denyer has stated what he intends to stand as an independent. He has shown he has some convictions.

This whip thing sounds like it’s being used as a smoke screen.

If it is something that you have to abide by if you are a member of a group of councillors but you don’t intend to be part of that group, then surely it no longer applies to you?

We deserve to know where the other councillors stand. Are they with John, or not?

You must see that you cannot keep drawing down the salary of being councillor under one banner if you don’t intend to stand under that banner.

Where stand you, Mrs Rush and Mr Barns?

Do you support John Denyer in his principled stand?

The taxpayers who pay your salaries need to know.

It is very strange how David from Dagenham keeps going on about Members pay, and how as a taxpayer he demands certain rights.

Is he really a council taxpayer? And if he lives in Dagenham as he states why does what is going on in Barking party have anything to do with him.

It looks very much to me as if David, if that is his real name, is a North Street Troll and is trying without any success to provoke a slanging match or a response from councillors who unlike others at North Street are working to the rules and maintaining a dignified silence.

I would suggest that perhaps David needs to crawl back into his hole and realise that there are some servants of their community who will not enter into his row, such as Fred and Val and the others mentioned in the original story. What John Denyer has decided to do is his own business and as such we should all respect his choice.

It is very strange how David from Dagenham keeps going on about Members pay, and how as a taxpayer he demands certain rights.

Is he really a council taxpayer? And if he lives in Dagenham as he states why does what is going on in Barking party have anything to do with him.

It looks very much to me as if David, if that is his real name, is a North Street Troll and is trying without any success to provoke a slanging match or a response from councillors who unlike others at North Street are working to the rules and maintaining a dignified silence.

I would suggest that perhaps David needs to crawl back into his hole and realise that there are some servants of their community who will not enter into his row, such as Fred and Val and the others mentioned in the original story. What John Denyer has decided to do is his own business and as such we should all respect his choice.

We in Barking are very ashamed at what some of our peoples are doing. We realy do like and support our councilors jean alexander and next door val rush.

But some peoples have said that they want there positions they wants them for all of the wrong reasons not to do good for the peoples in Barking but for themselfs.

the woman who is trying to force out mrs jean is a bad woman and brings shame on her family and on Islam and we have tried to talk to her but she will not listens to us.

the same it is with man and woman forcing out mrs val they is bad peoples

so we now say we will not support this we will note vote for these bad peoples and we will not have our centre used for politics meetings this is bring shame on all of us.

We in Barking are very ashamed at what some of our peoples are doing. We realy do like and support our councilors jean alexander and next door val rush.

But some peoples have said that they want there positions they wants them for all of the wrong reasons not to do good for the peoples in Barking but for themselfs.

the woman who is trying to force out mrs jean is a bad woman and brings shame on her family and on Islam and we have tried to talk to her but she will not listens to us.

the same it is with man and woman forcing out mrs val they is bad peoples

so we now say we will not support this we will note vote for these bad peoples and we will not have our centre used for politics meetings this is bring shame on all of us.

I am an ordinary resident from Thames View. I’ve voted Labour all my life. I’ve never heard of Valerie Rush.

I am proud to have supported Mrs Hodge and Jo Richardson before her.

I’ve lived on Thames View all my life. For much of this time George Shaw represented me as my local councillor. All my friends and neighbours knew where to turn to when we needed help. He is a decent and honourable man who has given much of his life to serve our community. He is also a Freeman of the Borough.

I also have respect for Mrs Rawlinson. I am sorry her name has not gone forward but she seems to have more sense than to get involved in this silly nonsense.

I have not met Mr Barns. I wish him well. I do not doubt that others have reason to support him. But I have read the number of votes cast for him and it turns out it was less than half a dozen. On that basis, he should stand aside.

I am an ordinary resident from Thames View. I’ve voted Labour all my life. I’ve never heard of Valerie Rush.

I am proud to have supported Mrs Hodge and Jo Richardson before her.

I’ve lived on Thames View all my life. For much of this time George Shaw represented me as my local councillor. All my friends and neighbours knew where to turn to when we needed help. He is a decent and honourable man who has given much of his life to serve our community. He is also a Freeman of the Borough.

I also have respect for Mrs Rawlinson. I am sorry her name has not gone forward but she seems to have more sense than to get involved in this silly nonsense.

I have not met Mr Barns. I wish him well. I do not doubt that others have reason to support him. But I have read the number of votes cast for him and it turns out it was less than half a dozen. On that basis, he should stand aside.

In reply to “Rose” thank you for wishing Fred Barns well. As to the number of votes cast for him on shortlisting night I am afraid you are misled. There were in fact 6 votes for and 6 votes against.

take it from someone who was present the 6 votes against were Chairman George Shaw his wife Olive his daughter Pam his friend Christine and two of his neighbours who have never attended a ward meeting before or even met fred.

As it was a tie George Shaw took it upon himself to have the casting vote therefore cllr Barns was knocked of the shortlist by one vote.

Two other supporters of Cllr Fred Barns were not allowed into the meeting to cast their vote on a technicality which is being disputed and a complaint lodged.

In reply to “Rose” thank you for wishing Fred Barns well. As to the number of votes cast for him on shortlisting night I am afraid you are misled. There were in fact 6 votes for and 6 votes against.

take it from someone who was present the 6 votes against were Chairman George Shaw his wife Olive his daughter Pam his friend Christine and two of his neighbours who have never attended a ward meeting before or even met fred.

As it was a tie George Shaw took it upon himself to have the casting vote therefore cllr Barns was knocked of the shortlist by one vote.

Two other supporters of Cllr Fred Barns were not allowed into the meeting to cast their vote on a technicality which is being disputed and a complaint lodged.

What everyone seems to be forgetting is that the Labour Party is not in question here, nor the selection process.

The facts are that the selection process was used by one man and dirty tricks to rid Thames View of a very popular Councillor, who he has a personal hatred for. It was used for a personal vendetta, and this is morally wrong. Therefore, the point is that Thames Ward residents are angry because the process was not used to better the residents, but just to satisfy George Shaw and his henchman Barry Poulton’s spite against Fred Barnes.

THAT IS THE WHOLE ISSUE.

The selection process should NEVER have been used as a personal vendetta, and brings the Labour Party and the local Ward Panel into disrepute. Especially if it is fact that the Chair of the selection committee is not allowed a vote. Funny that George Shaw was the Chair and chose to break the rules.

Other Councillors in other wards are not involved, and if their ward constituents feel strongly enough then they are probably fighting their own battle in their own wards.

The reason that Fred Barnes and Joan Rawlinson have not got involved in this discussion is that they are not allowed to under the rules of their remit. That is why they are forced to keep silent. Apart from that Fred Barnes is not a vengeful person, and has acted throughout this whole affair with great dignity. Neither is Joan Rawlinson.

Perhaps all the contributors to this debate should remember the basic facts.

A personal vendetta of hatred for one man against another was used, and not the democratic process.

What everyone seems to be forgetting is that the Labour Party is not in question here, nor the selection process.

The facts are that the selection process was used by one man and dirty tricks to rid Thames View of a very popular Councillor, who he has a personal hatred for. It was used for a personal vendetta, and this is morally wrong. Therefore, the point is that Thames Ward residents are angry because the process was not used to better the residents, but just to satisfy George Shaw and his henchman Barry Poulton’s spite against Fred Barnes.

THAT IS THE WHOLE ISSUE.

The selection process should NEVER have been used as a personal vendetta, and brings the Labour Party and the local Ward Panel into disrepute. Especially if it is fact that the Chair of the selection committee is not allowed a vote. Funny that George Shaw was the Chair and chose to break the rules.

Other Councillors in other wards are not involved, and if their ward constituents feel strongly enough then they are probably fighting their own battle in their own wards.

The reason that Fred Barnes and Joan Rawlinson have not got involved in this discussion is that they are not allowed to under the rules of their remit. That is why they are forced to keep silent. Apart from that Fred Barnes is not a vengeful person, and has acted throughout this whole affair with great dignity. Neither is Joan Rawlinson.

Perhaps all the contributors to this debate should remember the basic facts.

A personal vendetta of hatred for one man against another was used, and not the democratic process.

While I salute and applaud the residents from across the different wards in Barking who are campaigning to keep the Councillors who have worked hard for them and who they trust and respect, please do not loose sight of the bigger picture.

While it is true that G Shaw subverted the rules to make sure that his personal vendetta against Fred won through. Chairmans lies and abuse of the process in Gascoigne against Val Rush.All part of the bigger plot cooked up by North street in her attempt to control

While I salute and applaud the residents from across the different wards in Barking who are campaigning to keep the Councillors who have worked hard for them and who they trust and respect, please do not loose sight of the bigger picture.

While it is true that G Shaw subverted the rules to make sure that his personal vendetta against Fred won through. Chairmans lies and abuse of the process in Gascoigne against Val Rush.All part of the bigger plot cooked up by North street in her attempt to control

PS sorry had to break off emergency at work,

….in her attempt to control the council.

She and her minions at North Street made promises to people that they would get them elected to the council, the North street mafia have targetted certain people and wards and have played the dirtiest game going, they have smeared good councillors such as Fred, Joan, Jean, Val and Alok, and then they have planted their people in positions in their wards.

So while I do understand the anger directed at G Shaw by Thames residents, the Chair by Gascoigne residents, this is a much bigger picture, and one that will do incredible damage to our borough if we allow it to continue.

PS sorry had to break off emergency at work,

….in her attempt to control the council.

She and her minions at North Street made promises to people that they would get them elected to the council, the North street mafia have targetted certain people and wards and have played the dirtiest game going, they have smeared good councillors such as Fred, Joan, Jean, Val and Alok, and then they have planted their people in positions in their wards.

So while I do understand the anger directed at G Shaw by Thames residents, the Chair by Gascoigne residents, this is a much bigger picture, and one that will do incredible damage to our borough if we allow it to continue.

night shift worker from Barking :
Date: June 29, 2009 @ 5:50 am

In reply to above.

I do not think that the labour party know the amount of damage they have done to the party as a whole.

The labour party’s reputation has been damaged beyond repair ………… many of the north street trolls have indeed been stabbing each other in back and Mr G Shaw has been used to bait the honey trap as it is he whom has damaged his own once good reputation in the process of stabbing Cllr Barns & Cllr Rawlinson in the back.

I agree with the comments on here that the labour party will not win new seat in barking but indeed lose many in this unfair process as people will not forgive or forget and the post will not be next weeks chip paper

night shift worker from Barking :
Date: June 29, 2009 @ 5:50 am

In reply to above.

I do not think that the labour party know the amount of damage they have done to the party as a whole.

The labour party’s reputation has been damaged beyond repair ………… many of the north street trolls have indeed been stabbing each other in back and Mr G Shaw has been used to bait the honey trap as it is he whom has damaged his own once good reputation in the process of stabbing Cllr Barns & Cllr Rawlinson in the back.

I agree with the comments on here that the labour party will not win new seat in barking but indeed lose many in this unfair process as people will not forgive or forget and the post will not be next weeks chip paper

Poison, hatred and guff. How many of you people knock on doors, deliver leaflets or take an active role in your local community? Next to none, doing next to nothing, no doubt.

Poison, hatred and guff. How many of you people knock on doors, deliver leaflets or take an active role in your local community? Next to none, doing next to nothing, no doubt.

With reference to the very brief and vitriolic comments by Labour Loud and Proud.

Why does it always seem that any postings on here that appear to come from the North street mafia are abusive and nasty.

How can this person who has posted possibly know the work that these councillors have put in, and certainly not just on one morning a week.

Please unless you can post in a sensible manner then dont bother coming on here with your abuse.

With reference to the very brief and vitriolic comments by Labour Loud and Proud.

Why does it always seem that any postings on here that appear to come from the North street mafia are abusive and nasty.

How can this person who has posted possibly know the work that these councillors have put in, and certainly not just on one morning a week.

Please unless you can post in a sensible manner then dont bother coming on here with your abuse.

In reply to :Labour Loud and Proud :
Date: June 29, 2009 @ 10:06 am

I agree with Molly 100% why does the north street troll have to post such abusive comments .

Yes we do know how much councillor Fred Barns does for Thames ward by delivering leaflets and takes a very active roll in the community even with his disability he works very hard for Thames ward and is seen almost daily as does Cllr Joan Rawlinson do the same ………… BUT THE SAME CAN’T BE SAID FOR CLLR BARRY POULTON ( HE DOES NOT EVEN HOLD A REGULAR SURGERY IT’S BY APPIONTMENT ONLY THAT IS IF YOUR LUCKY AND HE RETURNS YOUR CALL !!) THE ONLY THING WE EVER SEE CLLR POULTON DOING IS LITTER PICKING UP/DOWN THE VIEW AND TAKING BAGS OF EMPTY BEER CANS TO RECYLE BANK.

I WONDER HOW MANY RESIDENTS SEE cllr Barry Poulton DO THIS AS REGULAR AS ME ON THAMES VIEW.

In reply to :Labour Loud and Proud :
Date: June 29, 2009 @ 10:06 am

I agree with Molly 100% why does the north street troll have to post such abusive comments .

Yes we do know how much councillor Fred Barns does for Thames ward by delivering leaflets and takes a very active roll in the community even with his disability he works very hard for Thames ward and is seen almost daily as does Cllr Joan Rawlinson do the same ………… BUT THE SAME CAN’T BE SAID FOR CLLR BARRY POULTON ( HE DOES NOT EVEN HOLD A REGULAR SURGERY IT’S BY APPIONTMENT ONLY THAT IS IF YOUR LUCKY AND HE RETURNS YOUR CALL !!) THE ONLY THING WE EVER SEE CLLR POULTON DOING IS LITTER PICKING UP/DOWN THE VIEW AND TAKING BAGS OF EMPTY BEER CANS TO RECYLE BANK.

I WONDER HOW MANY RESIDENTS SEE cllr Barry Poulton DO THIS AS REGULAR AS ME ON THAMES VIEW.

Reply to comments made by disillussioned resident :

Seems very strange that you will not put your name to your comments (as many on here have) My guess this is because under labour party members rules of remit you should not be airing your views on here. The democratic process in this selection stinksas much as the selection nite of 18th june meeting.
Hope you have read the comments on here very carfully as it clearly shows that Thames ward has only 2 hard working cllrs thus being Fred Barns and Joan Rawlinson

Reply to comments made by disillussioned resident :

Seems very strange that you will not put your name to your comments (as many on here have) My guess this is because under labour party members rules of remit you should not be airing your views on here. The democratic process in this selection stinksas much as the selection nite of 18th june meeting.
Hope you have read the comments on here very carfully as it clearly shows that Thames ward has only 2 hard working cllrs thus being Fred Barns and Joan Rawlinson

What are that lot at North Street up to now?????

I have had a letter this morning telling me they have changed the venue for the selections to a church hall in Dagenham.

Not even in the constituency now, what is their game? and they trying to make sure that good and true members dont turn up and they can then impose their people?

Because thats what it looks like to me. Never before in all my years in the party and thats 30years + have i known such a shambles.

Heaven knows what this lot is costing, because they are putting in through the Royal Mail, before ward secretaries and ward officers used to deliver the letters to save the party money.

Its as though they no longer trust us to do the job.

Well bugger them, I will see what the weather is like, but on reading their paperwork I think I already know who my ward is going to get lumbered with and it stinks.

What are that lot at North Street up to now?????

I have had a letter this morning telling me they have changed the venue for the selections to a church hall in Dagenham.

Not even in the constituency now, what is their game? and they trying to make sure that good and true members dont turn up and they can then impose their people?

Because thats what it looks like to me. Never before in all my years in the party and thats 30years + have i known such a shambles.

Heaven knows what this lot is costing, because they are putting in through the Royal Mail, before ward secretaries and ward officers used to deliver the letters to save the party money.

Its as though they no longer trust us to do the job.

Well bugger them, I will see what the weather is like, but on reading their paperwork I think I already know who my ward is going to get lumbered with and it stinks.

So we all have to trot over to Dagenham then. Well can we stay there then please working for a true constituency MP Jon Cruddas who realy knows and cares about the people he serves.

Why did Barking get the short straw and end up with an MP who just wants to control not serve.

When was the last time M Hodge mention Barking in the house of commons.

When did she ever do anything practical in the borough,all of her claims are actually for works done by councillors.

So we all have to trot over to Dagenham then. Well can we stay there then please working for a true constituency MP Jon Cruddas who realy knows and cares about the people he serves.

Why did Barking get the short straw and end up with an MP who just wants to control not serve.

When was the last time M Hodge mention Barking in the house of commons.

When did she ever do anything practical in the borough,all of her claims are actually for works done by councillors.

The new venue is probably designed to
discourage people who live near the first venue from attending.

Typical!! another dirty trick.

The new venue is probably designed to
discourage people who live near the first venue from attending.

Typical!! another dirty trick.

new venue is :

Roman Catholic Church
Oxlow Lane
Dagenham

AT 11am

5th July 09

How many more dirty trick are going to be played before the north street trolls are stopped.

This cannot be allowed to continue Mr Brown ? you need to step in and take control of this situation before it hits the national newspapers which at this rate will not be very long!

new venue is :

Roman Catholic Church
Oxlow Lane
Dagenham

AT 11am

5th July 09

How many more dirty trick are going to be played before the north street trolls are stopped.

This cannot be allowed to continue Mr Brown ? you need to step in and take control of this situation before it hits the national newspapers which at this rate will not be very long!

Now you have got around to inviting the national newspapers in good move.

They should be putting this under the spotlight this kind of abuse of decent hardworking people should not be allowed to go on.

It is a mirror on what is happening in the house and nationally and someone needs to get a grip

Now you have got around to inviting the national newspapers in good move.

They should be putting this under the spotlight this kind of abuse of decent hardworking people should not be allowed to go on.

It is a mirror on what is happening in the house and nationally and someone needs to get a grip

Many years ago when the Labour party was formed, its foundations and rules came out of the trade union movement. And I believe a lot of those procedural rules still apply.

This gives the ordinary members like us to chance to take back our party, there are more of us than there are of them.

They are only officers of the party because we put them there, and we can remove them. A vote of No Confidence in the Chair of a Ward, or of a CLP or of the Local Government committee, or why not all 3.

The power is ours, we can and should i suggest stop this fraudelent selection process in Barking in its tracks now.

I think we would be surprised at the support we would get from other people. And as for officers from London Region, they just need to be reminded that its the grass roots members who pay their wages, and its the grass roots members who call the shots.

Many years ago when the Labour party was formed, its foundations and rules came out of the trade union movement. And I believe a lot of those procedural rules still apply.

This gives the ordinary members like us to chance to take back our party, there are more of us than there are of them.

They are only officers of the party because we put them there, and we can remove them. A vote of No Confidence in the Chair of a Ward, or of a CLP or of the Local Government committee, or why not all 3.

The power is ours, we can and should i suggest stop this fraudelent selection process in Barking in its tracks now.

I think we would be surprised at the support we would get from other people. And as for officers from London Region, they just need to be reminded that its the grass roots members who pay their wages, and its the grass roots members who call the shots.

What happend to the rules again !?

where is the 7 days notice for the change of venue. At such short notice how do the labour party expect people to do thing at the drop of hat !! They have no disregard for the grass route members whom have got to get to dagenham when they are living in wards in barking ! why dagenham ? another ploy !? This all smells very fishy !!

I think the labour party Dominic toomey and darren rockwell should go and read the rule book !!!

What happend to the rules again !?

where is the 7 days notice for the change of venue. At such short notice how do the labour party expect people to do thing at the drop of hat !! They have no disregard for the grass route members whom have got to get to dagenham when they are living in wards in barking ! why dagenham ? another ploy !? This all smells very fishy !!

I think the labour party Dominic toomey and darren rockwell should go and read the rule book !!!

dont normally get involved in these anonymous threads. But as this one has become rather amusing i will make an exception. dirty tricks, fishy smells, fraudulent selection the mafia angry resident -another resident – a further resident – disgusted party members – dagenham daves- del boy – close friend- sam and sammi and finally night shift worker we have it all.

Night shift worker Talk of the national papers being involved, well maybe but the ramblings of a few anonymous people on a website viewed by a tiny amount of people wont quite do it.

Rule breaking is bad but where is the proof of it. Lots of stirring going on with no proof.

Has anyone asked about the venue change-probably not. rumour and lies work better i suppose….

dont normally get involved in these anonymous threads. But as this one has become rather amusing i will make an exception. dirty tricks, fishy smells, fraudulent selection the mafia angry resident -another resident – a further resident – disgusted party members – dagenham daves- del boy – close friend- sam and sammi and finally night shift worker we have it all.

Night shift worker Talk of the national papers being involved, well maybe but the ramblings of a few anonymous people on a website viewed by a tiny amount of people wont quite do it.

Rule breaking is bad but where is the proof of it. Lots of stirring going on with no proof.

Has anyone asked about the venue change-probably not. rumour and lies work better i suppose….

reply to:geoff deal :
Date: July 1, 2009 @ 10:07 am

from your remarks you probably not a thames ward resident or you would know that none of these are lies and no stirring what so ever is going. The only lies and rule breaking is by the labour party at north street.

and just for the record there is lots of proof of which you should try reading last weeks post newspaper

so get your facts right before you
leave comments

reply to:geoff deal :
Date: July 1, 2009 @ 10:07 am

from your remarks you probably not a thames ward resident or you would know that none of these are lies and no stirring what so ever is going. The only lies and rule breaking is by the labour party at north street.

and just for the record there is lots of proof of which you should try reading last weeks post newspaper

so get your facts right before you
leave comments

In response to geoff deal, I dont think Tribune would be very happy to read that you believe only a “tiny amount of people” read their magazine and look at their website.

And as for you stating there is no proof, well we could ask how would you “know that” but, lets just assure you first that there is proof and plenty of it. Some of which comes from impeccable sources.

In response to geoff deal, I dont think Tribune would be very happy to read that you believe only a “tiny amount of people” read their magazine and look at their website.

And as for you stating there is no proof, well we could ask how would you “know that” but, lets just assure you first that there is proof and plenty of it. Some of which comes from impeccable sources.

I suppose we must be thankfull that the North st mafia have gone quiet and not on here preaching to us all in an abusive manner.

Could it be that they have finally come to realise that they have made a big mistake?

Could sanity and fairness finally return to the Labour Party in Barking?

I would really like to hope so, for the sakes of all of those hard working and trusted councillors who have been treated so shamefully by a small greedy and mindless group.

But I wont hold my breath.

I suppose we must be thankfull that the North st mafia have gone quiet and not on here preaching to us all in an abusive manner.

Could it be that they have finally come to realise that they have made a big mistake?

Could sanity and fairness finally return to the Labour Party in Barking?

I would really like to hope so, for the sakes of all of those hard working and trusted councillors who have been treated so shamefully by a small greedy and mindless group.

But I wont hold my breath.

“and just for the record there is lots of proof of which you should try reading last weeks post newspaper

so get your facts right before you
leave comments”

I stand corrected sorry, Of course the papers always print the proof i dont know why the saying “dont believe everything you read” was ever said.

Not many facts on this site just a lot of senseless ramblings.

c’mon mr brown put the recession, mp’s expense fiasco and the fight to win the next general election on the back burner and concentrate on the real issues here in barking.

“and just for the record there is lots of proof of which you should try reading last weeks post newspaper

so get your facts right before you
leave comments”

I stand corrected sorry, Of course the papers always print the proof i dont know why the saying “dont believe everything you read” was ever said.

Not many facts on this site just a lot of senseless ramblings.

c’mon mr brown put the recession, mp’s expense fiasco and the fight to win the next general election on the back burner and concentrate on the real issues here in barking.

To Geoff Deal

In this case the papers did get it right. They just didn’t print all the facts. They Couldn’t.

Senseless ramblings they are not. They are indeed impeccable sources from people who were there and saw the disgraceful behaviour of the Chair and his henchman. The proof is that the stories are true, and this will be proved in the end.

Or are you just trying to cloud the issue.

To Geoff Deal

In this case the papers did get it right. They just didn’t print all the facts. They Couldn’t.

Senseless ramblings they are not. They are indeed impeccable sources from people who were there and saw the disgraceful behaviour of the Chair and his henchman. The proof is that the stories are true, and this will be proved in the end.

Or are you just trying to cloud the issue.

Well our plans seem to be exceeding our wildest dreams.

We havnt had to read up on here for the past few days as information is now coming thick and furious out of North street.

It is amazing how an idea thought up a couple of years ago has with just stroking of their massive egos, and further info and ideas passed on over time brought the Barking labour party to what it is now.

Split, damaged and lets face it if our friends stay in charge, and they are our friends, damaged beyond repair.

just remember keep your enemies closer.

Well our plans seem to be exceeding our wildest dreams.

We havnt had to read up on here for the past few days as information is now coming thick and furious out of North street.

It is amazing how an idea thought up a couple of years ago has with just stroking of their massive egos, and further info and ideas passed on over time brought the Barking labour party to what it is now.

Split, damaged and lets face it if our friends stay in charge, and they are our friends, damaged beyond repair.

just remember keep your enemies closer.

Can I please make a plea to the Tribune. We are all pretty sure that you understand the feelings and anger of, local party members and residents over this whole issue.

Can I ask that you allow this comments page to run on, we know that you go to print on Fridays and usually means some of the articles from the week before drop off.

But this has become such an important communication tool for us that we ask you to leave it on please.

Can I please make a plea to the Tribune. We are all pretty sure that you understand the feelings and anger of, local party members and residents over this whole issue.

Can I ask that you allow this comments page to run on, we know that you go to print on Fridays and usually means some of the articles from the week before drop off.

But this has become such an important communication tool for us that we ask you to leave it on please.

I am appalled that Cllr Barn’s has been ‘forced’ out as a Councillor!! I have never met a more dedicated and considerate Councillor. Cllr Barns has been committed to Barking and Dagenham for more years than I think he would like me to mention. To name a few New Cambell Youth club, the Sports Council and many other Committees/Clubs and the final accolade to be invested as Mayor of Barking and Dagenham.

Fred Barns has always been a credit to the Borough, he has always had time to listen and always did his best to rectify any problems raised. For example even on his holiday in Denmark, he and his wife took time out to watch Barking Ladies Football Team playing in an overseas tournament in Copenhagen, that’s dedication for you.

The members of the Labour party who voted for his de-selection should be ashamed of themselves.

Stop the Party posturing and get the people in the job that can do the job. Fred is a credit to the Borough and will be greatly missed. Re-instate him now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am appalled that Cllr Barn’s has been ‘forced’ out as a Councillor!! I have never met a more dedicated and considerate Councillor. Cllr Barns has been committed to Barking and Dagenham for more years than I think he would like me to mention. To name a few New Cambell Youth club, the Sports Council and many other Committees/Clubs and the final accolade to be invested as Mayor of Barking and Dagenham.

Fred Barns has always been a credit to the Borough, he has always had time to listen and always did his best to rectify any problems raised. For example even on his holiday in Denmark, he and his wife took time out to watch Barking Ladies Football Team playing in an overseas tournament in Copenhagen, that’s dedication for you.

The members of the Labour party who voted for his de-selection should be ashamed of themselves.

Stop the Party posturing and get the people in the job that can do the job. Fred is a credit to the Borough and will be greatly missed. Re-instate him now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

At know in a hall someplace in Dagenham our peoples are about to bring shame on us all.

We came to this country to get away from the bad politics in pakistan we came here for freedom and democracy and we have had this but not any mores.

the bad peoples tonight are to be voting to get rid of mrs jean amd mrs val not to do good for all just for them selves. they are not honorable she from my ward brings great shame to us all the good womens do not want her so we will not go tonight we will not go anymore to party.

this is going to cause big problems we fear with friends in our ward of difference faiths they will be very angry these bad peoples have not listened to what people want so now they will not get votes.

i and my familys and friends are shamed. we say sorry.

At know in a hall someplace in Dagenham our peoples are about to bring shame on us all.

We came to this country to get away from the bad politics in pakistan we came here for freedom and democracy and we have had this but not any mores.

the bad peoples tonight are to be voting to get rid of mrs jean amd mrs val not to do good for all just for them selves. they are not honorable she from my ward brings great shame to us all the good womens do not want her so we will not go tonight we will not go anymore to party.

this is going to cause big problems we fear with friends in our ward of difference faiths they will be very angry these bad peoples have not listened to what people want so now they will not get votes.

i and my familys and friends are shamed. we say sorry.

WARNING

The phone lines of Barking party members were red hot last night

It looks like those in control of this selection process have been very selective about which members they have informed about this weekend. It has been discovered that large numbers of paid up party members have not received letters and the first they knew about it was our phone calls.

Could this be because if the wards are inquorate “they can impose ” their candidates.

Come on barking members now is the time to protest.

WARNING

The phone lines of Barking party members were red hot last night

It looks like those in control of this selection process have been very selective about which members they have informed about this weekend. It has been discovered that large numbers of paid up party members have not received letters and the first they knew about it was our phone calls.

Could this be because if the wards are inquorate “they can impose ” their candidates.

Come on barking members now is the time to protest.

I have been a member of Thames Ward for many years and I have read very carefully all the comments on the Tribune Website and the local press.

I am extremely saddened that Thames Ward is in such an appalling mess. I am not sure some of the contributors to the website are party members, but when selection meetings are held by the Labour Party for candidates you have to be a party member to have a vote on who goes forward as a Labour Party candidate for the LBBD and this is why it is essential for local people to join and have a voice as to who is chosen.

I was not aware of the bad feeling that appears to have been present during the short listing meeting. I was sadly unable to attend however I understand that there were originally 7 people who were on the short list but during the course of the meeting it was decided they only wanted to hear from 6. I do not understand why this decision was made unless there was another agenda that not all those present at the meeting were privy to. The result of that decision was that Cllr Fred Barnes was taken off the short list.

I have been a member of the Labour Party for nearly 40 years, it was a democratic party open to all and inclusive of everyone. Above all it was a fair and decent party. I doubt that anything illegal took place at the short listing meeting although I understand this is under investigation, but was it fair or morally correct to not see a person on the short list who had already won an appeal against dismissal on the grounds that he had been discriminated against because of disability. I think any right minded person would agree it is not fair.

I shall be at the meeting on the 5th of July and I urge any party members of Thames Ward who can get there to go along.

My own view for what it’s worth is that the recent shambles of a short listing meeting should be declared null and void and a fresh short listing meeting arranged so that the people who live in Thames Ward can see we place fairness and democracy above all else as a party. Do any of us really want to hand Thames Ward to any other party!

When I look back over many years so many people who lived in Thames Ward and are sadly no longer with us worked so hard to make the ward successful. We often had the highest turn out of Labour votes in the borough. How times have changed!

I have been a member of Thames Ward for many years and I have read very carefully all the comments on the Tribune Website and the local press.

I am extremely saddened that Thames Ward is in such an appalling mess. I am not sure some of the contributors to the website are party members, but when selection meetings are held by the Labour Party for candidates you have to be a party member to have a vote on who goes forward as a Labour Party candidate for the LBBD and this is why it is essential for local people to join and have a voice as to who is chosen.

I was not aware of the bad feeling that appears to have been present during the short listing meeting. I was sadly unable to attend however I understand that there were originally 7 people who were on the short list but during the course of the meeting it was decided they only wanted to hear from 6. I do not understand why this decision was made unless there was another agenda that not all those present at the meeting were privy to. The result of that decision was that Cllr Fred Barnes was taken off the short list.

I have been a member of the Labour Party for nearly 40 years, it was a democratic party open to all and inclusive of everyone. Above all it was a fair and decent party. I doubt that anything illegal took place at the short listing meeting although I understand this is under investigation, but was it fair or morally correct to not see a person on the short list who had already won an appeal against dismissal on the grounds that he had been discriminated against because of disability. I think any right minded person would agree it is not fair.

I shall be at the meeting on the 5th of July and I urge any party members of Thames Ward who can get there to go along.

My own view for what it’s worth is that the recent shambles of a short listing meeting should be declared null and void and a fresh short listing meeting arranged so that the people who live in Thames Ward can see we place fairness and democracy above all else as a party. Do any of us really want to hand Thames Ward to any other party!

When I look back over many years so many people who lived in Thames Ward and are sadly no longer with us worked so hard to make the ward successful. We often had the highest turn out of Labour votes in the borough. How times have changed!

Whilst writing my last comment I have learned that the new venue for tomorrow’s meeting is not wheelchair accessible, so it seems, with great disappointment I will be excluded from attending as will any others who have mobility issues! How’s that for discrimination on the grounds of disability!!!

Whilst writing my last comment I have learned that the new venue for tomorrow’s meeting is not wheelchair accessible, so it seems, with great disappointment I will be excluded from attending as will any others who have mobility issues! How’s that for discrimination on the grounds of disability!!!

Well early feedback from todays (corrupt) selection interviews for Barking CLP which were held in Dagenham confirms every honest party members fears.

The list is being followed, you know the one that everybody involved in North street denies exists, well according to reliable sources the LIST is alive and well.

The blood on the floor today, was the blood of honest hardworking and trusted councillors.

And what has Barking ended up with a shower of ego trippers, who claim they want to fight the BNP, but have clamoured and engineered there way into “safe wards” with the collusion of a corrupt CLP EXEC and London Regional office

the phones have not stopped ringing here this afternoon and members are telling me they are tearing up their cards and as for getting behind the new candidates they can forget it.

Well early feedback from todays (corrupt) selection interviews for Barking CLP which were held in Dagenham confirms every honest party members fears.

The list is being followed, you know the one that everybody involved in North street denies exists, well according to reliable sources the LIST is alive and well.

The blood on the floor today, was the blood of honest hardworking and trusted councillors.

And what has Barking ended up with a shower of ego trippers, who claim they want to fight the BNP, but have clamoured and engineered there way into “safe wards” with the collusion of a corrupt CLP EXEC and London Regional office

the phones have not stopped ringing here this afternoon and members are telling me they are tearing up their cards and as for getting behind the new candidates they can forget it.

R.I.P – LABOUR

Come on Mr Brown wake up and smell the coffee ! ( im sure you read this site! )

This site is filled with truth from the residents of Thames Ward …………. YOU NEED TO SACK THE LOT INCLUDING MS HODGE !!! HOW CAN WE EVER HAVE FAITH IN LABOUR AGAIN IF YOU DON’T COME FORWARD AND PUT THIS COMPLETE MESS RIGHT NOW !!!!

Most of the labour party members have ripped up their labour cards ….. Come on Mr Brown you need our votes or are you going to roll-over and let BNP win seats in Barking ( i never had you down as a FOOL LETTING ONE WOMAN & GEORGE SHAW RUN LABOUR INTO THE GROUND) .

RESTORE OUR FAITH IN LABOUR OR KISS GOOD BYE TO BARKING IN 2010 ELECTIONS – WHICH YOU CAN THANK MS HODGE & GEORGE SHAW FOR !!!

R.I.P – LABOUR

Come on Mr Brown wake up and smell the coffee ! ( im sure you read this site! )

This site is filled with truth from the residents of Thames Ward …………. YOU NEED TO SACK THE LOT INCLUDING MS HODGE !!! HOW CAN WE EVER HAVE FAITH IN LABOUR AGAIN IF YOU DON’T COME FORWARD AND PUT THIS COMPLETE MESS RIGHT NOW !!!!

Most of the labour party members have ripped up their labour cards ….. Come on Mr Brown you need our votes or are you going to roll-over and let BNP win seats in Barking ( i never had you down as a FOOL LETTING ONE WOMAN & GEORGE SHAW RUN LABOUR INTO THE GROUND) .

RESTORE OUR FAITH IN LABOUR OR KISS GOOD BYE TO BARKING IN 2010 ELECTIONS – WHICH YOU CAN THANK MS HODGE & GEORGE SHAW FOR !!!

the dagenham del press read all about it corruption collusion in borough – hard working councillors left bloodied.

How the hell did the bnp ever get in with these hardworking honest and trustworthy councillors talking to the residents!

Or in fact is it the case that many of these councillors (i expect there may be 1 or 2 exceptions) have done next to nothing, full of complacency for to many years.

Gordon Brown (i’m sure you read this) i have told you before forget the recession, forget unemployment and house repossessions and the credit crunch, get down to barking and sort out our problems first

please keep a perspective angry resident obviously only one person should be smelling the coffee if you think anyone other than the 50 of us are interested in all this.

the dagenham del press read all about it corruption collusion in borough – hard working councillors left bloodied.

How the hell did the bnp ever get in with these hardworking honest and trustworthy councillors talking to the residents!

Or in fact is it the case that many of these councillors (i expect there may be 1 or 2 exceptions) have done next to nothing, full of complacency for to many years.

Gordon Brown (i’m sure you read this) i have told you before forget the recession, forget unemployment and house repossessions and the credit crunch, get down to barking and sort out our problems first

please keep a perspective angry resident obviously only one person should be smelling the coffee if you think anyone other than the 50 of us are interested in all this.

In reply to : geoff deal :
Date: July 4, 2009 @ 8:13 pm

I am keeping a perspective i pay good money to live here in barking! Why are we the residents of barking less important than any other labour party issue ( made be you should look at the larger picture unemployment and house repossessions and the credit crunch has not been helped by the labour party either ) !

How dare you imply that we should forget about the destruction that one man has caused by bringing the labour party in to disrepute by way of his lies and rule breaks!! funny how he has now gone under-ground and has not been seen on Thames View since the evening of the meeting on 18th June.

I do argree that their are a few councillors that do sweet F A …… BUT Cllr Fred Barns is NOT one of them he’s the most hard working i have ever had the pleasure working for the ward in which i live, which is one of the largest wards in Barking & Dagenham.

THIS WHOLE THING STINKS , with the comments like your leaving (geoff deal) we would be better off without labour as you seem to think the labour party should ignore the rules when it comes to barking & dagenham ……. double standards we should not allow !!!!! come on residents lets stick together as we pay their wages Not just Geoff Deal !!!!

Have your say everyone start ringing the newspapers a kick up a stink us the public have a right to know the truth about whats going on !!!!!!!

In reply to : geoff deal :
Date: July 4, 2009 @ 8:13 pm

I am keeping a perspective i pay good money to live here in barking! Why are we the residents of barking less important than any other labour party issue ( made be you should look at the larger picture unemployment and house repossessions and the credit crunch has not been helped by the labour party either ) !

How dare you imply that we should forget about the destruction that one man has caused by bringing the labour party in to disrepute by way of his lies and rule breaks!! funny how he has now gone under-ground and has not been seen on Thames View since the evening of the meeting on 18th June.

I do argree that their are a few councillors that do sweet F A …… BUT Cllr Fred Barns is NOT one of them he’s the most hard working i have ever had the pleasure working for the ward in which i live, which is one of the largest wards in Barking & Dagenham.

THIS WHOLE THING STINKS , with the comments like your leaving (geoff deal) we would be better off without labour as you seem to think the labour party should ignore the rules when it comes to barking & dagenham ……. double standards we should not allow !!!!! come on residents lets stick together as we pay their wages Not just Geoff Deal !!!!

Have your say everyone start ringing the newspapers a kick up a stink us the public have a right to know the truth about whats going on !!!!!!!

to angry resident and others, if you are party members, where were you om the 18th, if you think yoU was hard done by , there was not what you could call overwhelming support for any one on that night, and now you are all still bleating about it,and still have not got your facts right, but are more interested in blaming people instead of facing them .accusations false information and such will not solve anything , if anything you are just as equally bad for inflaming the situation through assumptions by people who should know better,and are interested only in their own agendas
YES IT STINKS, LIKE MOST OF THE FALSE ANTAGONIST LETTERS ON THIS SITE,no one seems willing to compromise which is a shame, so for those who dont want a peaceful and reasonable ooutcome, GOODBYE

to angry resident and others, if you are party members, where were you om the 18th, if you think yoU was hard done by , there was not what you could call overwhelming support for any one on that night, and now you are all still bleating about it,and still have not got your facts right, but are more interested in blaming people instead of facing them .accusations false information and such will not solve anything , if anything you are just as equally bad for inflaming the situation through assumptions by people who should know better,and are interested only in their own agendas
YES IT STINKS, LIKE MOST OF THE FALSE ANTAGONIST LETTERS ON THIS SITE,no one seems willing to compromise which is a shame, so for those who dont want a peaceful and reasonable ooutcome, GOODBYE

Well I see the North street mafia trolls have been busy posting on here last night trying to convince the majority that their miniority plan of corruption was the right thing to do. Take geoff deal forget the recession and back corruption Gordon, and disulloshioned resident tells us we should compromise I for one will never compromise with liars and cheats.

So I formally request the NEC of the Labour Party steps in removes the Exec of Barking CLP and LGC and London Region and fully investigates the lot

Well I see the North street mafia trolls have been busy posting on here last night trying to convince the majority that their miniority plan of corruption was the right thing to do. Take geoff deal forget the recession and back corruption Gordon, and disulloshioned resident tells us we should compromise I for one will never compromise with liars and cheats.

So I formally request the NEC of the Labour Party steps in removes the Exec of Barking CLP and LGC and London Region and fully investigates the lot

What a corrupt bunch this North street Mafia are, for months and months they and M Hodge have been preaching that only they can beat the BNP, that the councillors that are in place now at this minute and already beat the BNP in 2006 didnt do it right.

This corrupt bunch were going to be our saviours, now what do we find, they have engineered the deselection of these same councillors (who are recognised as holding safe labour seats) so that this same corrupt bunch can stand in safe seats and will not have to fight the BNP.

And I heard late last night that this arrogant bunch are calling these councillors that they have cheated and asking that they stand in seats that it is known will fall to the BNP.

Do not believe a word this lot says and I am today tearing up my membership card and will go openly to the press both local and national.

I wont be bringing disgrace on my party because they have already done it.

What a corrupt bunch this North street Mafia are, for months and months they and M Hodge have been preaching that only they can beat the BNP, that the councillors that are in place now at this minute and already beat the BNP in 2006 didnt do it right.

This corrupt bunch were going to be our saviours, now what do we find, they have engineered the deselection of these same councillors (who are recognised as holding safe labour seats) so that this same corrupt bunch can stand in safe seats and will not have to fight the BNP.

And I heard late last night that this arrogant bunch are calling these councillors that they have cheated and asking that they stand in seats that it is known will fall to the BNP.

Do not believe a word this lot says and I am today tearing up my membership card and will go openly to the press both local and national.

I wont be bringing disgrace on my party because they have already done it.

I add my call to Night Shift worker.

I too formally request that the NEC of the Labour Party steps in to remove the Exec of Barking CLP, the LGC and London Region and holds a full open and transparent investigation into the corruption in the Barking selection process.

I add my call to Night Shift worker.

I too formally request that the NEC of the Labour Party steps in to remove the Exec of Barking CLP, the LGC and London Region and holds a full open and transparent investigation into the corruption in the Barking selection process.

why is it that anything said on here that gives a different perspective is from this north street mafia.

Never yet seen a situation that does not have 2 sides to it.

Read it properly night shift worker. Your statement “Take geoff deal forget the recession and back corruption Gordon.”

It’s not what i said, i think you need to get some sleep, then wake up and smell the coffee.

Dont turn a reasoned statement into something it isnt.

I agree with angry resident Fred is possibly not one of those councillors who does sweet fa. Just because he has a problem on thames ward dosent mean the whole thing stinks, keep your perspective.

As for Molly i will keenly look for your name in the press.

Theres a reason why we are the only council with 12 bnp councillors in opposition and it aint this process

why is it that anything said on here that gives a different perspective is from this north street mafia.

Never yet seen a situation that does not have 2 sides to it.

Read it properly night shift worker. Your statement “Take geoff deal forget the recession and back corruption Gordon.”

It’s not what i said, i think you need to get some sleep, then wake up and smell the coffee.

Dont turn a reasoned statement into something it isnt.

I agree with angry resident Fred is possibly not one of those councillors who does sweet fa. Just because he has a problem on thames ward dosent mean the whole thing stinks, keep your perspective.

As for Molly i will keenly look for your name in the press.

Theres a reason why we are the only council with 12 bnp councillors in opposition and it aint this process

I have read the comments on this page and read articles in the Dagenham post and even though I wasnt going to write I felt compelled to today because of earlier comments made suggesting that you had to be a party member to comment (disalussioned resident 10.51pm).

Sorry but I thought it was not just party members who got to vote for their local councillor but everyone. We “normal” folk rely on the local party to do right by us and put up the best candidates forward for the ward not using personal vendettas or guidence from MPs to side step exsisting hard working proven councillors like Fred Barns.

I for one dont trust the labour party BUT would of voted for them if Fred had been the candidate but as he isnt labour will definately not get my vote. I dont want to be a party member but I do have a say who my local Councillor will be and my MP for that matter so roll on the next elections I think Labour might not have such “safe seats” in Barking. People do use their own minds and want to vote for people they know and trust.

I have read the comments on this page and read articles in the Dagenham post and even though I wasnt going to write I felt compelled to today because of earlier comments made suggesting that you had to be a party member to comment (disalussioned resident 10.51pm).

Sorry but I thought it was not just party members who got to vote for their local councillor but everyone. We “normal” folk rely on the local party to do right by us and put up the best candidates forward for the ward not using personal vendettas or guidence from MPs to side step exsisting hard working proven councillors like Fred Barns.

I for one dont trust the labour party BUT would of voted for them if Fred had been the candidate but as he isnt labour will definately not get my vote. I dont want to be a party member but I do have a say who my local Councillor will be and my MP for that matter so roll on the next elections I think Labour might not have such “safe seats” in Barking. People do use their own minds and want to vote for people they know and trust.

I am totally disgusted at the way Fred Barnes has been treated. I have known him personally for many years and he has always been above board and worked hard, particularly for the youth of the borough and has achieved much for them. On Thames View it was thanks to him that we had play areas created where there were none. He listened to the youth.

You can talk to Fred any time of the day and if he’s not there his wife is always happy to take a message for him and he ALWAYS gets back to you. Who have they in mind to possibly replace him with; who absolutely knows the people; knows their fears and worries and can talk to them as a friend as well as a councillor.

When I read about the de-selections they were all hardworking councillors, so why were they picked? Did they all have their own minds about things – heavens forbid! Our council is becoming more and more corrupt and needs to be examined minutely.

There is no “new blood” that could possibly take the place of Fred and work as hard as he does. Definitely dirty tricks are afoot and I dread to think what they are – although I have a good idea. Things can only get worse just when we felt we’d reached rock bottom in this borough.

I am totally disgusted at the way Fred Barnes has been treated. I have known him personally for many years and he has always been above board and worked hard, particularly for the youth of the borough and has achieved much for them. On Thames View it was thanks to him that we had play areas created where there were none. He listened to the youth.

You can talk to Fred any time of the day and if he’s not there his wife is always happy to take a message for him and he ALWAYS gets back to you. Who have they in mind to possibly replace him with; who absolutely knows the people; knows their fears and worries and can talk to them as a friend as well as a councillor.

When I read about the de-selections they were all hardworking councillors, so why were they picked? Did they all have their own minds about things – heavens forbid! Our council is becoming more and more corrupt and needs to be examined minutely.

There is no “new blood” that could possibly take the place of Fred and work as hard as he does. Definitely dirty tricks are afoot and I dread to think what they are – although I have a good idea. Things can only get worse just when we felt we’d reached rock bottom in this borough.

I have read with interest the posts over the last few days. It certainly looks to me as though this geoff deal is right up himself, coming out with there are always two sides to a reasoned argument, yes your right there is, but as yet you have not put up a reasoned argument.

Why have the North street mafia chosen to deselect good hard working councillors that have a track record of taking on the BNP and winning.

What track record have those who have lied and cheated to take their seats got none, none whatsoever.

So I too formally call on the NEC of the Labour party remove the Exec of Barking CLP and LGC and the London Regional officer involved and carry out a full open and transparent investigation.

How about that for a reasoned argument g.deal

I have read with interest the posts over the last few days. It certainly looks to me as though this geoff deal is right up himself, coming out with there are always two sides to a reasoned argument, yes your right there is, but as yet you have not put up a reasoned argument.

Why have the North street mafia chosen to deselect good hard working councillors that have a track record of taking on the BNP and winning.

What track record have those who have lied and cheated to take their seats got none, none whatsoever.

So I too formally call on the NEC of the Labour party remove the Exec of Barking CLP and LGC and the London Regional officer involved and carry out a full open and transparent investigation.

How about that for a reasoned argument g.deal

G Shaw and the North street mafia, should this afternoon be hanging their heads with shame, but no, they are so arrogant and so puffed up with their own importance they are not giving any thought at all to the residents they claim to want to represent.

If they did really care and really want to listen then explain why today a severely disabled member from Thames ward struggled over to Dagenham to attend the ward selection meeting, struggled up the stairs, because there was no access for the disabled only to find she was the only Thames ward member to turn up.

G Shaw and his cronies had obviously taken the decision that they had won by taking Fred out, so why bother to turn up, but they didnt bother to tell this poor woman.

And this lot expect us to vote for them….never

I will join the call for the NEC to come in and wipe the arrogant smile off all their faces.

Shame on you all.

G Shaw and the North street mafia, should this afternoon be hanging their heads with shame, but no, they are so arrogant and so puffed up with their own importance they are not giving any thought at all to the residents they claim to want to represent.

If they did really care and really want to listen then explain why today a severely disabled member from Thames ward struggled over to Dagenham to attend the ward selection meeting, struggled up the stairs, because there was no access for the disabled only to find she was the only Thames ward member to turn up.

G Shaw and his cronies had obviously taken the decision that they had won by taking Fred out, so why bother to turn up, but they didnt bother to tell this poor woman.

And this lot expect us to vote for them….never

I will join the call for the NEC to come in and wipe the arrogant smile off all their faces.

Shame on you all.

Just to let you know that I did manage with tremendous difficulty and considerable pain to attend the selection meeting for Thames Ward today. I only managed this with the help of 2 attendees at the meeting and my husband who is my carer.

I was the only member of Thames Ward who did attend. The meeting was therefore as directed in the rules of the Labour Party, made up of executive members of the Labour Party. The procedures of the meeting were carried out correctly. Dominic Twomey, Lynda Rice and Chris Rice did not attend as they have already been selected by other wards.

Cameron Geddes, Barry Poulten and Jose Channer spoke to the meeting and answered questions. After they had left the meeting I requested that a record be made that in my opinion the recent short listing meeting had been wholly unfair in how it had been conducted in the selection of Cllr Fred Barnes.

A vote was then taken on the 3 prospective candidates before us today. They were all unanimously accepted as Thames Ward Labour Party candidates for the local elections next year.

I remain desperately saddened about the unfairness and injustice metered out to Cllr Fred Barnes. It was discourteous and totally unnecessary not to allow him to remain on the short list.

I want to say thank you to disgusted barking resident for your support in understanding and recording just how difficult it was for me to attend given that I have a very debilitating disability.

Just to let you know that I did manage with tremendous difficulty and considerable pain to attend the selection meeting for Thames Ward today. I only managed this with the help of 2 attendees at the meeting and my husband who is my carer.

I was the only member of Thames Ward who did attend. The meeting was therefore as directed in the rules of the Labour Party, made up of executive members of the Labour Party. The procedures of the meeting were carried out correctly. Dominic Twomey, Lynda Rice and Chris Rice did not attend as they have already been selected by other wards.

Cameron Geddes, Barry Poulten and Jose Channer spoke to the meeting and answered questions. After they had left the meeting I requested that a record be made that in my opinion the recent short listing meeting had been wholly unfair in how it had been conducted in the selection of Cllr Fred Barnes.

A vote was then taken on the 3 prospective candidates before us today. They were all unanimously accepted as Thames Ward Labour Party candidates for the local elections next year.

I remain desperately saddened about the unfairness and injustice metered out to Cllr Fred Barnes. It was discourteous and totally unnecessary not to allow him to remain on the short list.

I want to say thank you to disgusted barking resident for your support in understanding and recording just how difficult it was for me to attend given that I have a very debilitating disability.

all huff and no puff, where was the posters and the demostration, or do you prefer jeremy kyle, just as I expected , gutless hiding behind words but no bottle to face people face to face,not very credible is it to your argument.nice and honest letterfrom glennys, and geoff deal who seem to see the real picture and not the troublesome ramblings of certain people full of hatred, I FOR ONE WONT CRY FOR THEM, AS THEY DONT WAnt to really see reason, and wont work for the better good of the borough. lets face it ,some of the so cALLED EXCELLENT CLLRS , through their own complacency and ignorance and inaction where responsible for the BNP getting in , in the first place and as for dirty tricks ,they have just been as guilty over the last few years as anyone else, they have not been whiter than white, so dont kid yourselves, a lot goes on behind the scenes that we dont know about and can only surmise on what happens and results in various communitiesa,good luck to old and new there is only one enemy the BNP

reply to Sammi Gascoigne campaign for Val Group :
Date: July 5, 2009 @ 12:01 pm

“Why have the North street mafia chosen to deselect good hard working councillors that have a track record of taking on the BNP and winning.”

Where have deselected councillors taken on the bnp and won? Certainly not on the door step where it matters.

if you consider your loose batch of random moans to be a reasoned response to my post then there is no point in going on

Good luck sammi, you will certainly need it

all huff and no puff, where was the posters and the demostration, or do you prefer jeremy kyle, just as I expected , gutless hiding behind words but no bottle to face people face to face,not very credible is it to your argument.nice and honest letterfrom glennys, and geoff deal who seem to see the real picture and not the troublesome ramblings of certain people full of hatred, I FOR ONE WONT CRY FOR THEM, AS THEY DONT WAnt to really see reason, and wont work for the better good of the borough. lets face it ,some of the so cALLED EXCELLENT CLLRS , through their own complacency and ignorance and inaction where responsible for the BNP getting in , in the first place and as for dirty tricks ,they have just been as guilty over the last few years as anyone else, they have not been whiter than white, so dont kid yourselves, a lot goes on behind the scenes that we dont know about and can only surmise on what happens and results in various communitiesa,good luck to old and new there is only one enemy the BNP

reply to Sammi Gascoigne campaign for Val Group :
Date: July 5, 2009 @ 12:01 pm

“Why have the North street mafia chosen to deselect good hard working councillors that have a track record of taking on the BNP and winning.”

Where have deselected councillors taken on the bnp and won? Certainly not on the door step where it matters.

if you consider your loose batch of random moans to be a reasoned response to my post then there is no point in going on

Good luck sammi, you will certainly need it

Reply to :disillussioned resident :
Date: July 5, 2009 @ 9:45 pm , geoff deal :
Date: July 5, 2009 @ 9:45 pm

Today’s meeting was cut & dry!

The fight will go on the right way in the press many have already put their names forward in the press over the past weeks/months and this will continue for many months to come.

Our focus today was not to attend a wash-out of a selection panel, But to plan our important next move and yes the force behind the de-selected councillors was beavering away with facts to take this to the next level. So you obviously was not aware the meeting today.

This is NO loose batch of random moans. Watch this shambles the labour party have created be sorted.

& fancy that the Labour party bringing Ms Hodge into further question allowing the party to arrnage a meeting with no disabled access ………….. given she was once the minister for disablility rights!!

The plot for labours dirty tricks get deeper by the day!

Reply to :disillussioned resident :
Date: July 5, 2009 @ 9:45 pm , geoff deal :
Date: July 5, 2009 @ 9:45 pm

Today’s meeting was cut & dry!

The fight will go on the right way in the press many have already put their names forward in the press over the past weeks/months and this will continue for many months to come.

Our focus today was not to attend a wash-out of a selection panel, But to plan our important next move and yes the force behind the de-selected councillors was beavering away with facts to take this to the next level. So you obviously was not aware the meeting today.

This is NO loose batch of random moans. Watch this shambles the labour party have created be sorted.

& fancy that the Labour party bringing Ms Hodge into further question allowing the party to arrnage a meeting with no disabled access ………….. given she was once the minister for disablility rights!!

The plot for labours dirty tricks get deeper by the day!

oH I forgot thatthames ward resident
has all the facts, or only one side of them, look closer to homr for the real reason the venue was changed at the last minute, but then again you only want to believe what you want to without asking other people from any side to get true facts. no loose random moans you say,this lost the plot over a hundred comments ago, never take what you hear or told as gospel. you certainly have not checked out both sides of the conflict, how about dirty tricks by cllrs,maybe their actions need to be brought into the equasion, its time to stop the damage now,no one is going to benifit from this continious war in the party except the BNP,and it will be just as much your fault as anyone elses build bridges dont burn them,as some people are trying to do,otherwise everyone will suffer in the long run
and for what, sheer bloodied mindness
you will be pleased to hear that this is the last time that i can be bothered to comment I suppose i will get the usual replies, but that just shows how people dont want a peaceful or reasonable outcome,I feel sorry for them and hope they can come to their senses soon

oH I forgot thatthames ward resident
has all the facts, or only one side of them, look closer to homr for the real reason the venue was changed at the last minute, but then again you only want to believe what you want to without asking other people from any side to get true facts. no loose random moans you say,this lost the plot over a hundred comments ago, never take what you hear or told as gospel. you certainly have not checked out both sides of the conflict, how about dirty tricks by cllrs,maybe their actions need to be brought into the equasion, its time to stop the damage now,no one is going to benifit from this continious war in the party except the BNP,and it will be just as much your fault as anyone elses build bridges dont burn them,as some people are trying to do,otherwise everyone will suffer in the long run
and for what, sheer bloodied mindness
you will be pleased to hear that this is the last time that i can be bothered to comment I suppose i will get the usual replies, but that just shows how people dont want a peaceful or reasonable outcome,I feel sorry for them and hope they can come to their senses soon

Well thank goodness for that then, the trolls will not be reading or posting on here any more.

They do so love to try and slander councillors with hints and innuendos don’t they they do not have the very great bank of evidence that councillors and members have on them not only as a group but as individuals.

Just bideing our time it will come out when you least expect or want it to

Come on NEC save Labour in Barking because at the moment its being directed by infiltrators from BNP

Well thank goodness for that then, the trolls will not be reading or posting on here any more.

They do so love to try and slander councillors with hints and innuendos don’t they they do not have the very great bank of evidence that councillors and members have on them not only as a group but as individuals.

Just bideing our time it will come out when you least expect or want it to

Come on NEC save Labour in Barking because at the moment its being directed by infiltrators from BNP

It was suggested by a friend of mine that as I have insomnia I may like to read this site as an alternative medicine. IT SEEMS THAT THE FEU BETWEEN cLLR

It was suggested by a friend of mine that as I have insomnia I may like to read this site as an alternative medicine. IT SEEMS THAT THE FEU BETWEEN cLLR

sorry about that I fell asleep for a short while. now where was I. oH yes, it seems that the feud between Cllr Barnes and G Shaw has been going on for some time, probably years who knows, could it not have been resolved then, instead of letting it fester until now.Perhaps someone could enlighten me and others on this as there must be someone out there who knows all the true facts. I am sure that most Councillors do an excellent job for their respective wards, but equally there may be some that do not. Is the general concensus that the new prospective Councillors will not do a good job, or will people not give them a chance because they have replaced people that were respected by the community and did the job they were elected to do. These prospective Councillors should be given the chance to prove themselves against the tough opposition they will encounter (not only the BNP but people from their own party). If they do not come up to the mark then the deselected Councillors have every right to say “I told you so”, but please give them a chance to prove themselves and if possible give them support in what must be a daunting time for them, especially the first time candidates. Just one more thing before I go to sleep I did not realise we had trolls in the borough, are they on the electoral role.

sorry about that I fell asleep for a short while. now where was I. oH yes, it seems that the feud between Cllr Barnes and G Shaw has been going on for some time, probably years who knows, could it not have been resolved then, instead of letting it fester until now.Perhaps someone could enlighten me and others on this as there must be someone out there who knows all the true facts. I am sure that most Councillors do an excellent job for their respective wards, but equally there may be some that do not. Is the general concensus that the new prospective Councillors will not do a good job, or will people not give them a chance because they have replaced people that were respected by the community and did the job they were elected to do. These prospective Councillors should be given the chance to prove themselves against the tough opposition they will encounter (not only the BNP but people from their own party). If they do not come up to the mark then the deselected Councillors have every right to say “I told you so”, but please give them a chance to prove themselves and if possible give them support in what must be a daunting time for them, especially the first time candidates. Just one more thing before I go to sleep I did not realise we had trolls in the borough, are they on the electoral role.

great shame we feels today we are not muslem peoples who want to interfere we enjoyed the friendship and the works that our councillors did.

but now we have 3 muslems in abbey ward and 2 muslem and how you says 1 tokens white man in gascoigne who we are told does not live in barking.

what will happens to the muslem womens who live with violent and cruel husbands who will help them now. what will happen to the young muslem girls who will be sent back to pakistan or other countrys for forced marriages who will helps them now.

these women and girls will no longer feel safe in going for help from councillors we now in the past the good works that was done to protect and help these peoples this will all be gone.

and the white peoples in these wards who will they vote for, we do not interfear we live sides by sides we do not take over this is all wrong manys will suffer

there is great shame in moderate muslems for this evil today

great shame we feels today we are not muslem peoples who want to interfere we enjoyed the friendship and the works that our councillors did.

but now we have 3 muslems in abbey ward and 2 muslem and how you says 1 tokens white man in gascoigne who we are told does not live in barking.

what will happens to the muslem womens who live with violent and cruel husbands who will help them now. what will happen to the young muslem girls who will be sent back to pakistan or other countrys for forced marriages who will helps them now.

these women and girls will no longer feel safe in going for help from councillors we now in the past the good works that was done to protect and help these peoples this will all be gone.

and the white peoples in these wards who will they vote for, we do not interfear we live sides by sides we do not take over this is all wrong manys will suffer

there is great shame in moderate muslems for this evil today

Good luck to all the appointed candidates, they have made it through a diffcult process which some standing councillors were unable to (for whatever reason which has clearly been debated enough). I hope that the appointed candidates remain to stay committed to the cause for working for the people of Barking and Dagenham and are successful in keeping the BNP out come 2010. They have shown through the villisation of forums such as this and local press that they are indeed strong, and committed and hope that they keep these virtues up alongside the hard work that is required of them. They will be faced with furthur battles along the way from those who feel hard done by and have lost their focus but I am sure that the new candidates will be able to work as a party to support one another and the residents in our real fight against the BNP.

Don’t ponder on the negative posts that are on here where many people do not know who you are and only speculate as to why you have taken this diffcult post on – get to know those that live in your wards and start to fight their batteles now as they are the true people that matter.

Good Luck

Good luck to all the appointed candidates, they have made it through a diffcult process which some standing councillors were unable to (for whatever reason which has clearly been debated enough). I hope that the appointed candidates remain to stay committed to the cause for working for the people of Barking and Dagenham and are successful in keeping the BNP out come 2010. They have shown through the villisation of forums such as this and local press that they are indeed strong, and committed and hope that they keep these virtues up alongside the hard work that is required of them. They will be faced with furthur battles along the way from those who feel hard done by and have lost their focus but I am sure that the new candidates will be able to work as a party to support one another and the residents in our real fight against the BNP.

Don’t ponder on the negative posts that are on here where many people do not know who you are and only speculate as to why you have taken this diffcult post on – get to know those that live in your wards and start to fight their batteles now as they are the true people that matter.

Good Luck

These new councillors never got selected fairly, They was cherry picked by the north street trolls and placed in the selection at the reputation of the labour party by any which way it could be done!

It’s the resident of the wards that have lost good hardworking councillors that have hard to come in putting this mess right through the proper chanels.

WE ALL KNOW THAT IF THIS IS NOT PUT RIGHT SOON ~~~~~ BNP WILL WIN SEATS IN 2010 AND ALL I CAN SAY IS GOOD LUCK TO THEM!, AS MS HODGE HAS HANDED IT TO THEM ON A PLATE SHE MAY ASWELL RETIRE AS DE-SELECTING JOAN, VAL , FRED AND MANY MORE HAS MARKED THE END FOR LABOUR IN BARKING & DAGENHAM

These new councillors never got selected fairly, They was cherry picked by the north street trolls and placed in the selection at the reputation of the labour party by any which way it could be done!

It’s the resident of the wards that have lost good hardworking councillors that have hard to come in putting this mess right through the proper chanels.

WE ALL KNOW THAT IF THIS IS NOT PUT RIGHT SOON ~~~~~ BNP WILL WIN SEATS IN 2010 AND ALL I CAN SAY IS GOOD LUCK TO THEM!, AS MS HODGE HAS HANDED IT TO THEM ON A PLATE SHE MAY ASWELL RETIRE AS DE-SELECTING JOAN, VAL , FRED AND MANY MORE HAS MARKED THE END FOR LABOUR IN BARKING & DAGENHAM

***GOD HELP US ALL***

**WHAT A SHAMBLES LABOUR HAVE CREATED FOR BARKING**

********SACK THEM ALL********

***GOD HELP US ALL***

**WHAT A SHAMBLES LABOUR HAVE CREATED FOR BARKING**

********SACK THEM ALL********

Message for well wisher

Please get back under the bridge with all the other trolls.

Message for well wisher

Please get back under the bridge with all the other trolls.

You clearly think things are done correctly in this borough if you think these candidates were selected democratically.

This council is as democratic as our government and the candidates will be shown to reflect the nature of our borough and be in their positions for one reason only and that is not to support us residents of long standing.

You clearly think things are done correctly in this borough if you think these candidates were selected democratically.

This council is as democratic as our government and the candidates will be shown to reflect the nature of our borough and be in their positions for one reason only and that is not to support us residents of long standing.

Disgusted Barking Resident and the person that left a message for myself, – I wanted to thank you for your comments that go to show how uneducated you really are and hope these enlighten people who are reading messgaes on this site as to your lack of understanding about what has been happening.

Just like I had some well meaning advice for the Labour candidates I also have some for you …. I have heard that the BNP are still looking for people to stand apparently their only requirment is that candidates are half-wits that are good are spreading rumours, gossip and failing that just able to shout out insults – its seems as though you and some others on this site may be in with a good chance. Good Luck!

Disgusted Barking Resident and the person that left a message for myself, – I wanted to thank you for your comments that go to show how uneducated you really are and hope these enlighten people who are reading messgaes on this site as to your lack of understanding about what has been happening.

Just like I had some well meaning advice for the Labour candidates I also have some for you …. I have heard that the BNP are still looking for people to stand apparently their only requirment is that candidates are half-wits that are good are spreading rumours, gossip and failing that just able to shout out insults – its seems as though you and some others on this site may be in with a good chance. Good Luck!

In reply to Digusted Barking Resident, should that not read Digusted arking Mad Resident???. This is discrimination against trolls, they have the freedom of speech and rights as well. If you care to look up the meaning of the word “troll”, as well as being a giant or dwarf it can also mean a fabulus person and I think that all the selected pospective candidates are trolls, but in the nicest sense of the word. People like yourself who are making nasty remarks about people they do not know are doing more harm than good and will not win the respect of anyone apart from your own mindless group.
Respect has to be earned and as yet you have not earned any.

LONG LIVE THE TROLLS

In reply to Digusted Barking Resident, should that not read Digusted arking Mad Resident???. This is discrimination against trolls, they have the freedom of speech and rights as well. If you care to look up the meaning of the word “troll”, as well as being a giant or dwarf it can also mean a fabulus person and I think that all the selected pospective candidates are trolls, but in the nicest sense of the word. People like yourself who are making nasty remarks about people they do not know are doing more harm than good and will not win the respect of anyone apart from your own mindless group.
Respect has to be earned and as yet you have not earned any.

LONG LIVE THE TROLLS

OH dear well wisher you really do have to get down in the gutter dont you.

Once again the abusive comments about the residents who have posted on here, just goes to show how the local labour party are listening, NOT, and as for your suggestion that the BNP are looking for people to stand, well you only have to look at what the North street mafia have put up, seems to me the BNP win from both sides of the floor.

As we have already been told by persons posting on this site the BNP infiltrated North street months and months ago. And many of us know who as well.

So thanks for your Good luck wishes, justice will out in the end.

OH dear well wisher you really do have to get down in the gutter dont you.

Once again the abusive comments about the residents who have posted on here, just goes to show how the local labour party are listening, NOT, and as for your suggestion that the BNP are looking for people to stand, well you only have to look at what the North street mafia have put up, seems to me the BNP win from both sides of the floor.

As we have already been told by persons posting on this site the BNP infiltrated North street months and months ago. And many of us know who as well.

So thanks for your Good luck wishes, justice will out in the end.

I think you really should take the time to re-read comments made today before you start making accusations about who is in the gutter… your comments have a lot to be desired for. My comments were aimed at those who today had made ref themselves to supporting the BNP and could only come up with insults aimed at me – a resident supporting the boroughs candidates in their fight against the BNP.

However I am really intrested as to whom you are speculating is a BNP spy at North Street? I think everybody has the right to know what other gosspip is going round. Lets hope your brave enough to name and shame them…

I think you really should take the time to re-read comments made today before you start making accusations about who is in the gutter… your comments have a lot to be desired for. My comments were aimed at those who today had made ref themselves to supporting the BNP and could only come up with insults aimed at me – a resident supporting the boroughs candidates in their fight against the BNP.

However I am really intrested as to whom you are speculating is a BNP spy at North Street? I think everybody has the right to know what other gosspip is going round. Lets hope your brave enough to name and shame them…

Liebour cant even run a selection committee without bending rules and falling out LOL.
Never mind sell some gongs , start a couple of illegal wars , bang some expenses in , sell the working class down the drain . It’s what your leaders do , proud working class voting BNP

Liebour cant even run a selection committee without bending rules and falling out LOL.
Never mind sell some gongs , start a couple of illegal wars , bang some expenses in , sell the working class down the drain . It’s what your leaders do , proud working class voting BNP

Val Rush was no decent councillor! Sorry to be frank but in the 15 years I lived in her ward I never received a letter, see her in person, receive any updates about the work she was doing and the time I did meet her in person I was presented with nothing more than rudeness and hostility. So whoever was her communications coordinator/ PR agent, Sammi needs to be sacked!

As for everyone name calling, bitching, making threats that they won’t vote and so on I wish you would talk with your feet because with regards to selections, campaigns and the general Labour movement in Barking, support and voluntary help is limited to the few.

As it stands the Labour Party consists of several individuals and many fractured factions across Barking and Dagenham. If that is the approach people wish to take forward then there is a far greater problem for this Party and the Council than I first imagined.

Val Rush was no decent councillor! Sorry to be frank but in the 15 years I lived in her ward I never received a letter, see her in person, receive any updates about the work she was doing and the time I did meet her in person I was presented with nothing more than rudeness and hostility. So whoever was her communications coordinator/ PR agent, Sammi needs to be sacked!

As for everyone name calling, bitching, making threats that they won’t vote and so on I wish you would talk with your feet because with regards to selections, campaigns and the general Labour movement in Barking, support and voluntary help is limited to the few.

As it stands the Labour Party consists of several individuals and many fractured factions across Barking and Dagenham. If that is the approach people wish to take forward then there is a far greater problem for this Party and the Council than I first imagined.

Dear Mr who ever you say you are, and believe me when I say that we can read through your posting and make a pretty accurate guess as to who you are.

Your very nasty and abusive comments about Councillor Val Rush are of course a piece of total fiction which we the real residents of the ward can testify to.

So are we going to rise to your stupidity and nastiness at this time NO, but just wait until next May you will have your answer then, we the true residents of the ward will give you our answer, and your name and the names of your cronies will get no where near the winning post.

Dear Mr who ever you say you are, and believe me when I say that we can read through your posting and make a pretty accurate guess as to who you are.

Your very nasty and abusive comments about Councillor Val Rush are of course a piece of total fiction which we the real residents of the ward can testify to.

So are we going to rise to your stupidity and nastiness at this time NO, but just wait until next May you will have your answer then, we the true residents of the ward will give you our answer, and your name and the names of your cronies will get no where near the winning post.

Been away for a few days, but it looks like I have come back just in time.

Our friends at North Street are going of message now and thats stupid.!!!!

We have won, although some of you may not realise it, our friends on the inside will.

These personal attacks will just make people think that these councillors were right, and that it is an organised plan.

We have won.

keep your enemies closer

Been away for a few days, but it looks like I have come back just in time.

Our friends at North Street are going of message now and thats stupid.!!!!

We have won, although some of you may not realise it, our friends on the inside will.

These personal attacks will just make people think that these councillors were right, and that it is an organised plan.

We have won.

keep your enemies closer

Well what has got the North street Mafia rattled??

You would think that following last weekend which should have seen the culmination of their corrupt plot they would be basking in the glow.

But no, they seem to be on the attack, more so now than before, named and personal attacks on persons who cannot defend themselves.

That dont sound to me like a gang that has won, it sounds more like a gang that has run into big trouble.

Well what has got the North street Mafia rattled??

You would think that following last weekend which should have seen the culmination of their corrupt plot they would be basking in the glow.

But no, they seem to be on the attack, more so now than before, named and personal attacks on persons who cannot defend themselves.

That dont sound to me like a gang that has won, it sounds more like a gang that has run into big trouble.

So North street mafia you are very very quiet today.

Has something rocked your world?

So North street mafia you are very very quiet today.

Has something rocked your world?

Well I hope all the good true and loyal party members and residents have read todays Dagenham Post or will go out and buy it.

Now we must demand that the NEC of the Labour Party set aside ALL of this mockery of justice that is called a selection process. And run it fair and square without any interference from North street and London Region.

And mentioning London Region we should be demanding that the General Secretary of the Labour Party sacks Ken Clark the Regional Director for London and Rob Chapman the so called East London Organiser.

Why should we be demanding that they are sacked? because they got into bed with the corrupt bunch at North Street instead of listening to the real party members.

So please join the call

Well I hope all the good true and loyal party members and residents have read todays Dagenham Post or will go out and buy it.

Now we must demand that the NEC of the Labour Party set aside ALL of this mockery of justice that is called a selection process. And run it fair and square without any interference from North street and London Region.

And mentioning London Region we should be demanding that the General Secretary of the Labour Party sacks Ken Clark the Regional Director for London and Rob Chapman the so called East London Organiser.

Why should we be demanding that they are sacked? because they got into bed with the corrupt bunch at North Street instead of listening to the real party members.

So please join the call

This supposedly serious debate on very dangerous issues within the Labour Party has degenerated into a slanging match, mores the pity.

For God’s sake stop this silly nonsense and lets get back to exposing the dirty tricks and personal vendetta that has reduced this Borough to a laughing stock.

I have never seen such a debacle as the selection process that occurred in this Borough. Someone should expose the whole sorry mess. I wish I could.

As I have stated before, politics is a dirty business and many good Councillors have been pushed aside for the gratification of a few very nasty people.

This supposedly serious debate on very dangerous issues within the Labour Party has degenerated into a slanging match, mores the pity.

For God’s sake stop this silly nonsense and lets get back to exposing the dirty tricks and personal vendetta that has reduced this Borough to a laughing stock.

I have never seen such a debacle as the selection process that occurred in this Borough. Someone should expose the whole sorry mess. I wish I could.

As I have stated before, politics is a dirty business and many good Councillors have been pushed aside for the gratification of a few very nasty people.

Jackie

Well said. I have read the Dagenham Post this morning and would only hope that the National newspapers will pick this up and expose the whole lot of them.

Lets just hope that the elections next year will prove that certain people from Thames Ward have ruined the very party they are supposed to be dedicated to.

Jackie

Well said. I have read the Dagenham Post this morning and would only hope that the National newspapers will pick this up and expose the whole lot of them.

Lets just hope that the elections next year will prove that certain people from Thames Ward have ruined the very party they are supposed to be dedicated to.

I will join Jackies call today, that the NEC come in and do the job properly. I am pretty sure that if they did they would very quickly prove us all right, and they would see the corruption that has taken place.

And as for Ken Clark, never met the man but if he is the one supposed to be in charge of this then yes he deserves the sack.

I will join Jackies call today, that the NEC come in and do the job properly. I am pretty sure that if they did they would very quickly prove us all right, and they would see the corruption that has taken place.

And as for Ken Clark, never met the man but if he is the one supposed to be in charge of this then yes he deserves the sack.

READ – ON , This is unbelievable, but can you imagine working for a company that has a little more than 600 employees and has the following employee statistics.

29 have been accused of spouse abuse

7 have been arrested for fraud

9 have been accused of writing bad cheque’s

17 have directly or indirectly bankrupted at least 2 businesses

3 have done time for assault

71 cannot get a credit card due to bad credit

14 have been arrested on drug-related charges

8 have been arrested for shoplifting

21 are currently defendants in lawsuits

84 have been arrested for drink driving in the last year

And collectively, this year alone, they have cost the British tax payer £92,993,748 in expenses!!!

Which organization is this ?

It’s the 635 members of the House of Commons, the same group that cranks out hundreds of new laws each year designed to keep the rest of us inline.

What a bunch of Ass-holes we have running our country – it says it all. And just to top all that they probably have the best ‘corporate’ pension scheme in the country!!

I received this via a chain letter yesterday and thought everyone should have read !!!!!

READ – ON , This is unbelievable, but can you imagine working for a company that has a little more than 600 employees and has the following employee statistics.

29 have been accused of spouse abuse

7 have been arrested for fraud

9 have been accused of writing bad cheque’s

17 have directly or indirectly bankrupted at least 2 businesses

3 have done time for assault

71 cannot get a credit card due to bad credit

14 have been arrested on drug-related charges

8 have been arrested for shoplifting

21 are currently defendants in lawsuits

84 have been arrested for drink driving in the last year

And collectively, this year alone, they have cost the British tax payer £92,993,748 in expenses!!!

Which organization is this ?

It’s the 635 members of the House of Commons, the same group that cranks out hundreds of new laws each year designed to keep the rest of us inline.

What a bunch of Ass-holes we have running our country – it says it all. And just to top all that they probably have the best ‘corporate’ pension scheme in the country!!

I received this via a chain letter yesterday and thought everyone should have read !!!!!

Well i am lost for words !!! At the above comment !!!

I can see now why are selection process is in such a mess !!!

Well i am lost for words !!! At the above comment !!!

I can see now why are selection process is in such a mess !!!

We is so pleased that story is on front page of post. now it is out in the light and not hidden away in darkness where bad things can happen.

we are long time members of party we are pleased with our councillors we do not want to changed them. but we was over run with all new members, peoples we did not kknow wearing bourkha or niqab and speakng with different acents from midlands birmingham why these peoples voting in our borough this is wrong.

we feels shame and would suport call for peoples to clean this up.

We is so pleased that story is on front page of post. now it is out in the light and not hidden away in darkness where bad things can happen.

we are long time members of party we are pleased with our councillors we do not want to changed them. but we was over run with all new members, peoples we did not kknow wearing bourkha or niqab and speakng with different acents from midlands birmingham why these peoples voting in our borough this is wrong.

we feels shame and would suport call for peoples to clean this up.

This is turning into a complete horror movie, with the selection process being used as a factional tool.It is apparent that the Regional Party is complicit in this at least by its inactivity.The CLP should be suspended in its present form and a thorough audit done of the membership and the selection process.This should be carried out quickly by officers from maybe the Eastern Regional Party or National officials.We need to have capable properly selected candidates in place asap.There have been serious allegations of ballot rigging here including the bussing in of people from as far away as Lancashire.These must be investigated or electoral disaster awaits us in 2010.We need to be open and honest with local people its the only way to beat the BNP.

This is turning into a complete horror movie, with the selection process being used as a factional tool.It is apparent that the Regional Party is complicit in this at least by its inactivity.The CLP should be suspended in its present form and a thorough audit done of the membership and the selection process.This should be carried out quickly by officers from maybe the Eastern Regional Party or National officials.We need to have capable properly selected candidates in place asap.There have been serious allegations of ballot rigging here including the bussing in of people from as far away as Lancashire.These must be investigated or electoral disaster awaits us in 2010.We need to be open and honest with local people its the only way to beat the BNP.

I agree with Ex LBBD Cllr. It quite apparant that gerry mandering is alive and well in Barking (just remember what happened to Dame Shirley Porter) ballot rigging, I hear there is written evidence of this, and the fact that London Region has colluded with a very small group of members who have taken control of Barking party, and are holding it to ransom is quite plain for all to see.

The local people are clamouring for this corruption to end.

Only the NEC of the party can do this and I would ask that they step in and do it now.

I agree with Ex LBBD Cllr. It quite apparant that gerry mandering is alive and well in Barking (just remember what happened to Dame Shirley Porter) ballot rigging, I hear there is written evidence of this, and the fact that London Region has colluded with a very small group of members who have taken control of Barking party, and are holding it to ransom is quite plain for all to see.

The local people are clamouring for this corruption to end.

Only the NEC of the party can do this and I would ask that they step in and do it now.

Read snopes before you post this crap. It’s been going round for years, it was tosh then and its tosh now.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/congress.asp
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2006/mar/20/mpsincorruptionshocker

For a start, there are 646 MPs in the House of Commons (currently 644 due to the retirements of Martin and Gibson). Other than that, you’d have no way of verifying any of the facts – how, for instance, do you get access to the personal credit records of 71 MPs? And if you look at Google News, there is just one story since 2007 of an MP being arrested for drink driving.

Read snopes before you post this crap. It’s been going round for years, it was tosh then and its tosh now.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/congress.asp
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2006/mar/20/mpsincorruptionshocker

For a start, there are 646 MPs in the House of Commons (currently 644 due to the retirements of Martin and Gibson). Other than that, you’d have no way of verifying any of the facts – how, for instance, do you get access to the personal credit records of 71 MPs? And if you look at Google News, there is just one story since 2007 of an MP being arrested for drink driving.

Can I please join the call, or has it now become a shout? that the NEC of the Labour party step in, void the whole selection process in Barking & Dagenham that has been so totally corrupted, and start afresh.

Would they also look into this issue of so called party members, isnt it strange no odd that Barking constituency party is the only party in the whole of the country that is bucking the trend and signing up new members. Come on now, what with all there has been in the papers about expenses etc, the war in Iraq and Afganistan we in Barking are getting more new members than anywhere else in the country, and a great percentage of those we have found are muslems, could it be that they are setting aside their anger over these major issues so that their relatives have a chance to be elected to the council, even if as it has been alleged they live in Birmingham?

So I join the call for the NEC to come in, and also because London Region and the officers of Barking Clp appear to be in collusion, lets have the NEC run the whole process again.

Can I please join the call, or has it now become a shout? that the NEC of the Labour party step in, void the whole selection process in Barking & Dagenham that has been so totally corrupted, and start afresh.

Would they also look into this issue of so called party members, isnt it strange no odd that Barking constituency party is the only party in the whole of the country that is bucking the trend and signing up new members. Come on now, what with all there has been in the papers about expenses etc, the war in Iraq and Afganistan we in Barking are getting more new members than anywhere else in the country, and a great percentage of those we have found are muslems, could it be that they are setting aside their anger over these major issues so that their relatives have a chance to be elected to the council, even if as it has been alleged they live in Birmingham?

So I join the call for the NEC to come in, and also because London Region and the officers of Barking Clp appear to be in collusion, lets have the NEC run the whole process again.

I have only just had a chance to peruse the Dagenham Post and its a truly catastrophic article, to lose 21 Labour Councillors out of a group of 37 is a disaster.Of the remaining 16 probably only 6 have the political ability to take leadership roles.
The Post is probably read by about 40000 people all told, if you understand that each addition is read by more than one person and it can be seen online for free.So now most of our electors have this piece of news.
Its is now clearly time for the NEC to try and bring some justice to this tawdry situation.Rampant corruption cannot be covered up.As I wrote before, we need to reconnect with our electors and rapidly.I do not want a BNP Council in LBBD and it will be thanks to Hodge and her careerist cronies if that happens.

I have only just had a chance to peruse the Dagenham Post and its a truly catastrophic article, to lose 21 Labour Councillors out of a group of 37 is a disaster.Of the remaining 16 probably only 6 have the political ability to take leadership roles.
The Post is probably read by about 40000 people all told, if you understand that each addition is read by more than one person and it can be seen online for free.So now most of our electors have this piece of news.
Its is now clearly time for the NEC to try and bring some justice to this tawdry situation.Rampant corruption cannot be covered up.As I wrote before, we need to reconnect with our electors and rapidly.I do not want a BNP Council in LBBD and it will be thanks to Hodge and her careerist cronies if that happens.

Can I please firstly correct a statement obviously issued by D Twomey to the Post yesterday where he states that Bert Collins will be standing in Parsloes ward, many of us are of course aware that Bert is not standing and has made quite clear that the reason he is not is because of the appalling way his friends and colleagues have been treated.

Can I now introduce some facts, the number of votes cast for all of the members who have been DUMPED

Jeanne Alexander 1376
Alok Agrawal 1268
Fred Barns 1264
Val Rush 1278
Emmanuel Obasohan 1058
Don Hemmett 1071
Jim McDermott 965
Pat Northover 944
Warren Northover 1204
Bert Collins 1050
Bob Little 1126
Joan Rawlinson 1157
Gerry Vincent 1233
Pat Twomey 1406
John Denyer 1304

You do not get these kind of high figures and believe me they are some of the highest during the 2006 elections when they were fighting the BNP just on being a labour councillor, this is being trusted by your community a lot of this is personal vote, which the North street Mafia will never have.

Lets go through their list and see just who was involved and did any work at all during those same 2006 elections…in Barking… well I can only find one name in that list and that is Hardial Singh Rai.

The likes of Cameron Geddes who did not get selected in 2006 but has decided he will stand this time only if he is on a promise of a safe seat and a good job if elected. Funnily enough one of the new candidates for gascoigne went on holiday to pakistan during those elections and rumour has it that he was prevented from returning for about 6 months.

The others well you must make your own judgement on them Im pretty sure there are enough people around who can add what they may know.

But is this what you really want a bunch of opportunists.

Not me, come on the NEC come into to Barking and clean it up please.

Can I please firstly correct a statement obviously issued by D Twomey to the Post yesterday where he states that Bert Collins will be standing in Parsloes ward, many of us are of course aware that Bert is not standing and has made quite clear that the reason he is not is because of the appalling way his friends and colleagues have been treated.

Can I now introduce some facts, the number of votes cast for all of the members who have been DUMPED

Jeanne Alexander 1376
Alok Agrawal 1268
Fred Barns 1264
Val Rush 1278
Emmanuel Obasohan 1058
Don Hemmett 1071
Jim McDermott 965
Pat Northover 944
Warren Northover 1204
Bert Collins 1050
Bob Little 1126
Joan Rawlinson 1157
Gerry Vincent 1233
Pat Twomey 1406
John Denyer 1304

You do not get these kind of high figures and believe me they are some of the highest during the 2006 elections when they were fighting the BNP just on being a labour councillor, this is being trusted by your community a lot of this is personal vote, which the North street Mafia will never have.

Lets go through their list and see just who was involved and did any work at all during those same 2006 elections…in Barking… well I can only find one name in that list and that is Hardial Singh Rai.

The likes of Cameron Geddes who did not get selected in 2006 but has decided he will stand this time only if he is on a promise of a safe seat and a good job if elected. Funnily enough one of the new candidates for gascoigne went on holiday to pakistan during those elections and rumour has it that he was prevented from returning for about 6 months.

The others well you must make your own judgement on them Im pretty sure there are enough people around who can add what they may know.

But is this what you really want a bunch of opportunists.

Not me, come on the NEC come into to Barking and clean it up please.

Yes I was quizzical about the Bert Collins comment in the Post, so actually that makes 22 deselected or not standing.
A correction on Cameron Geddes.He decided not to stand in 2006 and has now decided to come back, he is a former deputy leader and Executive member.

Yes I was quizzical about the Bert Collins comment in the Post, so actually that makes 22 deselected or not standing.
A correction on Cameron Geddes.He decided not to stand in 2006 and has now decided to come back, he is a former deputy leader and Executive member.

Thanks Ex LBBD Cllr for collaborating the statement made re Bert Collins, while I accept that C Geddes may well have decided not to stand in 2006, I seem to recall that was in a fit of pique because he lost his place as Dep Leader, and could see the writing on the wall as far as him ever being on the Executive again.

Word on the grapevine now is that he is on a promise not only of a safe seat, but for the highest position within the labour group.

Yes we keep coming back to this list that North street would have us believe does not exist????? well perhaps they should gag some of their cronies, because they are telling any one who will listen just who is going to get what position within the labour group…..IF and it is really a big IF now they were to secure any seats.

All I can say is if that dark day does fall in the borough, my strongest advice to friends, family and colleagues would be to sell up and move.

Thanks Ex LBBD Cllr for collaborating the statement made re Bert Collins, while I accept that C Geddes may well have decided not to stand in 2006, I seem to recall that was in a fit of pique because he lost his place as Dep Leader, and could see the writing on the wall as far as him ever being on the Executive again.

Word on the grapevine now is that he is on a promise not only of a safe seat, but for the highest position within the labour group.

Yes we keep coming back to this list that North street would have us believe does not exist????? well perhaps they should gag some of their cronies, because they are telling any one who will listen just who is going to get what position within the labour group…..IF and it is really a big IF now they were to secure any seats.

All I can say is if that dark day does fall in the borough, my strongest advice to friends, family and colleagues would be to sell up and move.

Agree with most of what you say Mary, but he actually gave up Deputy Leader, to my memory.He is one of the good guys.All this garbage happening now is Hodges revenge for the 2006 criticism of her ’80% of my constituents are thinking about voting for the BNP comments’

Agree with most of what you say Mary, but he actually gave up Deputy Leader, to my memory.He is one of the good guys.All this garbage happening now is Hodges revenge for the 2006 criticism of her ’80% of my constituents are thinking about voting for the BNP comments’

[...] Reports suggest that MP Margaret Hodge is involved in a dirty tricks campaign to influence selections. The deselected councillors are said to be “people who didn’t like Margaret,” with the Labour MP described by her own side as ” a control freak”. [...]

May I suggest that before Well Wisher denegrates others as being “uneducated”, they look at the grammar in their remarks, or rather lack of it and also they should know that the word “Villisation” does not exist in the English dictionary: you haved a major problem with spelling also. Please look much closer to home before calling people uneducated.

May I suggest that before Well Wisher denegrates others as being “uneducated”, they look at the grammar in their remarks, or rather lack of it and also they should know that the word “Villisation” does not exist in the English dictionary: you haved a major problem with spelling also. Please look much closer to home before calling people uneducated.

Just found this piece below in an old press article from 2007. I thought it was very relevant to what is happening now.

The anger against Hodge has led to a fierce battle within Barking Labour Party, Socialist Worker has learned. Hodge vowed to “clean up” the local party by purging it of traditional activists and replacing them with her cronies.

This resulted in an attempt to deselect Hodge from the seat by “Old Labour” forces in Barking. But she saw off that deselection bid last week. Labour Party sources say the timing of her latest comments reflect an attempt to consolidate her power base locally.

Just found this piece below in an old press article from 2007. I thought it was very relevant to what is happening now.

The anger against Hodge has led to a fierce battle within Barking Labour Party, Socialist Worker has learned. Hodge vowed to “clean up” the local party by purging it of traditional activists and replacing them with her cronies.

This resulted in an attempt to deselect Hodge from the seat by “Old Labour” forces in Barking. But she saw off that deselection bid last week. Labour Party sources say the timing of her latest comments reflect an attempt to consolidate her power base locally.

Well wisher 11.54am. Join the “uneducated” don’t mock them. Talk about those who live in glass houses throwing stones. Do you not know that you have made a big mistake in writing “you haved a major problem etc.”?

Well wisher 11.54am. Join the “uneducated” don’t mock them. Talk about those who live in glass houses throwing stones. Do you not know that you have made a big mistake in writing “you haved a major problem etc.”?

Close friend@3.22pm if that is all you have to add to the discussion I really would not bother coming back.

Close friend@3.22pm if that is all you have to add to the discussion I really would not bother coming back.

in Response to our trusted government and one person has been up for a murder trial has well

in Response to our trusted government and one person has been up for a murder trial has well

i do not trust some of the new councilors that will stand in this borough 2010 some of then have already been dishonest come tell the truth you sh–s be honest ?????

i do not trust some of the new councilors that will stand in this borough 2010 some of then have already been dishonest come tell the truth you sh–s be honest ?????

your comments “cares about barking” @ 7.54 and 8.12 are very interesting.

Perhaps at some time you would share your thoughts with us as the majority of people on here are open and honest, well that is not including the North street mafia of course.

Anyway the calls have gone out to the NEC and as yet not one of them has had the courage to acknowledge our call, what are they, are they just a bunch of craven cowards?

Talk about the Labour party being the listening party, they must all be stone deaf.

Still we are not going away, this fight will carry on.

\your comments “cares about barking” @ 7.54 and 8.12 are very interesting.

Perhaps at some time you would share your thoughts with us as the majority of people on here are open and honest, well that is not including the North street mafia of course.

Anyway the calls have gone out to the NEC and as yet not one of them has had the courage to acknowledge our call, what are they, are they just a bunch of craven cowards?

Talk about the Labour party being the listening party, they must all be stone deaf.

Still we are not going away, this fight will carry on.

ex-lbbd councillor, you may be interested in this, raises some very interesting points

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyN1RwWfBK4

ex-lbbd councillor, you may be interested in this, raises some very interesting points

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyN1RwWfBK4

Dear Dismayed of Barking,

We have got some strange people on this thread but now we have a surrealist !. I take it the ‘Dancing Fish’ is a metaphor for the current political situation ?, very funny !.

Dear Dismayed of Barking,

We have got some strange people on this thread but now we have a surrealist !. I take it the ‘Dancing Fish’ is a metaphor for the current political situation ?, very funny !.

I have been away for a couple of weeks and have just spent some considerable time catching up. I can’t be doing with the slanging matches that seem to be going on. It makes both sides look extremely bad. Mind you some of it needs saying but we need to be constructive don’t fall into their trap.

Like the Ex LBBD Cllr. I would like to see the CLP in Barking suspended and a complete and transparent investigation carried out by another region.

Can I also ask the question – if prospective Councillors should not be present at the selection meetings, why were D Twomey and D Rodwell playing such an active part in the process? Surely that in itself is enough to show that the process was flawed.

It could well be said by the MH Group that the ‘otherside’ should have been better organised and they may well be right! That being said when an election count is close you can usually call for a re-count. Lets do just that. Start the process afresh and lets be quick about it.

Let someone who has not been party to all the mud slinging come in and look at the whole fiasco objectively. After all is that not the basis of our roots in the Labour Party. Listen to those who may well be in the minority and seek whats fair for all.

After that I would say ‘Unity is Strength’ and to all those who have just had a moan about what they have lost but have not previously put themselves out and left it to the few to hopefully achieve what they see as right – Join the Party. You can’t hope to change it from the outside.

To all those who say they have cut up their membership cards I say the same. Its a shame that you have done this. You may well have given the MH group exactly what they want. No opposition. I know like me you are fed up and tired but please reconsider phone membership and say you have lost your card and request a new card and keep fighting.

I have been away for a couple of weeks and have just spent some considerable time catching up. I can’t be doing with the slanging matches that seem to be going on. It makes both sides look extremely bad. Mind you some of it needs saying but we need to be constructive don’t fall into their trap.

Like the Ex LBBD Cllr. I would like to see the CLP in Barking suspended and a complete and transparent investigation carried out by another region.

Can I also ask the question – if prospective Councillors should not be present at the selection meetings, why were D Twomey and D Rodwell playing such an active part in the process? Surely that in itself is enough to show that the process was flawed.

It could well be said by the MH Group that the ‘otherside’ should have been better organised and they may well be right! That being said when an election count is close you can usually call for a re-count. Lets do just that. Start the process afresh and lets be quick about it.

Let someone who has not been party to all the mud slinging come in and look at the whole fiasco objectively. After all is that not the basis of our roots in the Labour Party. Listen to those who may well be in the minority and seek whats fair for all.

After that I would say ‘Unity is Strength’ and to all those who have just had a moan about what they have lost but have not previously put themselves out and left it to the few to hopefully achieve what they see as right – Join the Party. You can’t hope to change it from the outside.

To all those who say they have cut up their membership cards I say the same. Its a shame that you have done this. You may well have given the MH group exactly what they want. No opposition. I know like me you are fed up and tired but please reconsider phone membership and say you have lost your card and request a new card and keep fighting.

Time is fast running out.There are only a couple of Wards left to select after that we will be in August when nothing happens.Thus by September we are still in a dispute situation.
Its seems there is a depressing silence from the NEC.
Like Gaitskell we must ‘Fight, Fight and Fight again to save the Party we love’

Time is fast running out.There are only a couple of Wards left to select after that we will be in August when nothing happens.Thus by September we are still in a dispute situation.
Its seems there is a depressing silence from the NEC.
Like Gaitskell we must ‘Fight, Fight and Fight again to save the Party we love’

Jane, your words are good and true, but a lot of us are feeling very frustrated at the moment. Ex LBBD Cllr we know too well time is running out, but, everyone with any clout seems to have taken the batteries out of their hearing aids.

They are just not listening. Rumour has it that where the vacant seats are the North street mafia are quite prepared just to put up paper candidates. NEVER before has this been done by labour in Barking, but in their arrogance they no longer care.

They will now kick into the long grass any more selections and waste time, this is what happens when a handful of corrupt individuals grab control, and believe me the corruption is there, the evidence is mounting up and will be used.

One suggestion that has been made is that the link to this site is emailed to each member of the NEC, how do we find out their names and email addresses.

Also the unions who have funded Mr Chapmans post, and who have in the past funded good and true councillors.

We will continue to fight but it now needs to be targetted, and supported by all on here, and communications to be left on here, if thats ok with Tribune, who I think we need to say thank you to for bringing this out into the open.

The fight for our party is on.

Jane, your words are good and true, but a lot of us are feeling very frustrated at the moment. Ex LBBD Cllr we know too well time is running out, but, everyone with any clout seems to have taken the batteries out of their hearing aids.

They are just not listening. Rumour has it that where the vacant seats are the North street mafia are quite prepared just to put up paper candidates. NEVER before has this been done by labour in Barking, but in their arrogance they no longer care.

They will now kick into the long grass any more selections and waste time, this is what happens when a handful of corrupt individuals grab control, and believe me the corruption is there, the evidence is mounting up and will be used.

One suggestion that has been made is that the link to this site is emailed to each member of the NEC, how do we find out their names and email addresses.

Also the unions who have funded Mr Chapmans post, and who have in the past funded good and true councillors.

We will continue to fight but it now needs to be targetted, and supported by all on here, and communications to be left on here, if thats ok with Tribune, who I think we need to say thank you to for bringing this out into the open.

The fight for our party is on.

Good evening all, I have taken on board the comments from ExLBBD Cllr and disgusted, and have set up the below, please follow the link and let me know if you feel it will be of any use.

Of course if you all say no then it has not cost anything just a little bit of my time, but give it a go and please do pass the link on to friends.

http://barkingstruelabourpartymembers.blogspot.com

The Fight is on.

Good evening all, I have taken on board the comments from ExLBBD Cllr and disgusted, and have set up the below, please follow the link and let me know if you feel it will be of any use.

Of course if you all say no then it has not cost anything just a little bit of my time, but give it a go and please do pass the link on to friends.

http://barkingstruelabourpartymembers.blogspot.com

The Fight is on.

All these selected candidates have to be elected before they are Councillors.

One of these is a liar and a thief.

All these selected candidates have to be elected before they are Councillors.

One of these is a liar and a thief.

Whistleblower would you care to elaborate ?.Del, I will look at the blogspot now

Whistleblower would you care to elaborate ?.Del, I will look at the blogspot now

Del only problem with it is you cannot post comment direct you have to be registered with a blog site so its difficult.I have been trying with wordpress and typepad for over 30 minutes now

Del only problem with it is you cannot post comment direct you have to be registered with a blog site so its difficult.I have been trying with wordpress and typepad for over 30 minutes now

Whistleblower please do tell all,but, just a tip when you start writing just put ALLEGEDLY at the begining this will protect you from any legal proceedings.

Mind you I think we should run a book on the lot of them as evidence is piling up againsteach and every one, they are a sordid little bunch.

Whistleblower please do tell all,but, just a tip when you start writing just put ALLEGEDLY at the begining this will protect you from any legal proceedings.

Mind you I think we should run a book on the lot of them as evidence is piling up againsteach and every one, they are a sordid little bunch.

As a non labour antifascist who recognises that it it only Labour who can stop the BNP in 2010 this is a depressing read. Barnbrook and pals must be cracking open the champagne after reading this thread

Focus on this. In the 2008 GLA list elections, the BNP came top on 7 of the 17 Barking wards and close in another 2. They are on a roll after their Euro wins, and I understand will fight enough candidates to win in 2010- perhaps ignoring the few clearly unwinnable wards for them, but with a national campaign to fight model campaigns in their winnabel wards

For gods sake, focus on what unites and not divides you, or the BNP will win in 2010

As a non labour antifascist who recognises that it it only Labour who can stop the BNP in 2010 this is a depressing read. Barnbrook and pals must be cracking open the champagne after reading this thread

Focus on this. In the 2008 GLA list elections, the BNP came top on 7 of the 17 Barking wards and close in another 2. They are on a roll after their Euro wins, and I understand will fight enough candidates to win in 2010- perhaps ignoring the few clearly unwinnable wards for them, but with a national campaign to fight model campaigns in their winnabel wards

For gods sake, focus on what unites and not divides you, or the BNP will win in 2010

Thank you Ex Cllr LBBD, i believe you will find things are open and OK now.

to Jim Page thank you for your moderated and open comments, but, I feel that you do need to recognize and understand fully what has happened here.

All of us to the last man and woman agree with your view on the need to fight the BNP but, and this is incredibily important, we will and shall select who will fight them in an open and transparant manner, and not in the way that has been dictated by the North street Mafia, we need and want councillors who have experience of fighting them, and not a lot of wanna bes who are just after it for themselves.

There is absolutely nothing that unites the true members of Barking with the North street mafia.

Thank you Ex Cllr LBBD, i believe you will find things are open and OK now.

to Jim Page thank you for your moderated and open comments, but, I feel that you do need to recognize and understand fully what has happened here.

All of us to the last man and woman agree with your view on the need to fight the BNP but, and this is incredibily important, we will and shall select who will fight them in an open and transparant manner, and not in the way that has been dictated by the North street Mafia, we need and want councillors who have experience of fighting them, and not a lot of wanna bes who are just after it for themselves.

There is absolutely nothing that unites the true members of Barking with the North street mafia.

A lot of vitriol against M Hodge here which may or may bot be true.

But at least she sems to be clean on the expenses front. Labour’s real Achilles Heel and the BNP’s top asset is Notting Hill resident Jon Cruddas who is one of the worst second home cheats.

He should join Harry Cohen in retirement.

A lot of vitriol against M Hodge here which may or may bot be true.

But at least she sems to be clean on the expenses front. Labour’s real Achilles Heel and the BNP’s top asset is Notting Hill resident Jon Cruddas who is one of the worst second home cheats.

He should join Harry Cohen in retirement.

Sorry South Londoner, before you start throwing stones in the direction of Jon Cruddas, you really should get your facts right.

Can i draw to your attention a fantastic piece of investigatory journalisim carried out by Andrew Gilligan which appeared in the Evening Standard only a couple of weeks ago and which totally disproves your statement “but at least she seems to be clean on the expenses front.” The article also shows a direct link from North Street to a very high ranking civil servant in the Fees Office.

And just to top it off just a couple of days later M Hodge was ripped to shreds by the Daily Telegraph for abusing her expenses.

So please do your research before you attempt to join in on a matter you obviously know very little about.

And to be honest if you were to ask the majority of residents in Barking who they would prefer to have as their MP J Cruddas or M Hodge they would undoubtedly choose Jon Cruddas.

Sorry South Londoner, before you start throwing stones in the direction of Jon Cruddas, you really should get your facts right.

Can i draw to your attention a fantastic piece of investigatory journalisim carried out by Andrew Gilligan which appeared in the Evening Standard only a couple of weeks ago and which totally disproves your statement “but at least she seems to be clean on the expenses front.” The article also shows a direct link from North Street to a very high ranking civil servant in the Fees Office.

And just to top it off just a couple of days later M Hodge was ripped to shreds by the Daily Telegraph for abusing her expenses.

So please do your research before you attempt to join in on a matter you obviously know very little about.

And to be honest if you were to ask the majority of residents in Barking who they would prefer to have as their MP J Cruddas or M Hodge they would undoubtedly choose Jon Cruddas.

Felt I wanted to say to everyone that even throughout all this back biting and the horrible way Margaret Hodge, George Shaw and croanies have dealt with this councillor selection process our BEST councillor Fred Barns has continued to serve us well.

Only today I have had cause to ring him at home for some advise and even though it is Saturday afternoon he was really happy to help me and my family.

So rememeber Fred is still our councillor until the next election even though the few in North Street (Hodges base) have put pay to him being able to be the labour candidate next time.

By doing that I for one will not vote Labour in the next elections as I always vote for the best candidate for my ward and as I have found that is Fred Barns.

So to coin a phrase which I have changed to keep decent Labour is up “BARKING CREEK” without a paddle.!

Felt I wanted to say to everyone that even throughout all this back biting and the horrible way Margaret Hodge, George Shaw and croanies have dealt with this councillor selection process our BEST councillor Fred Barns has continued to serve us well.

Only today I have had cause to ring him at home for some advise and even though it is Saturday afternoon he was really happy to help me and my family.

So rememeber Fred is still our councillor until the next election even though the few in North Street (Hodges base) have put pay to him being able to be the labour candidate next time.

By doing that I for one will not vote Labour in the next elections as I always vote for the best candidate for my ward and as I have found that is Fred Barns.

So to coin a phrase which I have changed to keep decent Labour is up “BARKING CREEK” without a paddle.!

Rumour is flowing, it is alleged that one of the new candidates has a very expensive habit, that neither she/he can afford.

Not a very lucky person this one.

Rumour is flowing, it is alleged that one of the new candidates has a very expensive habit, that neither she/he can afford.

Not a very lucky person this one.

oh here we go ,more rumours,lies,allegationsetc.etc,but
still no proof from a handful of people with hatred in their hearts,most do not even know the new
candidates or even spoken to them, so how can yoiu judge what you dont know,your accusations are based on rumours and accusations from induviduals ,who are just as bad as a lynch mob,some of thosedeselected cllrs have nothing to be proud of,some have stabbed their own colleagues in the back, instead of working together.they havbe done nothing to fight thne bnp, most of thefighting as come from ground level where cllrs abandon the commmunity through their own arrogance and complacency. its a crying shame that their little click and powerbasehas now been broken up
they have omly got therselves to blame for the split,m but I dont mean every cllr, some were good maybe it is time for a CHANGE,BUT as
for any who really are not interested
then you are too blinkered and want to listen to rumours and lies and allegations, then just goes to show how sad you really are, no proof, no credibility, the trolls will win , because all because up to now you have not got the back up of your convictions, we should be working together, but mindless morons dont want that,and rather sellthe borough down the drain,please look at what you aredoing,its no good anyone,the party but most of all the mostimportaznt people the community

oh here we go ,more rumours,lies,allegationsetc.etc,but
still no proof from a handful of people with hatred in their hearts,most do not even know the new
candidates or even spoken to them, so how can yoiu judge what you dont know,your accusations are based on rumours and accusations from induviduals ,who are just as bad as a lynch mob,some of thosedeselected cllrs have nothing to be proud of,some have stabbed their own colleagues in the back, instead of working together.they havbe done nothing to fight thne bnp, most of thefighting as come from ground level where cllrs abandon the commmunity through their own arrogance and complacency. its a crying shame that their little click and powerbasehas now been broken up
they have omly got therselves to blame for the split,m but I dont mean every cllr, some were good maybe it is time for a CHANGE,BUT as
for any who really are not interested
then you are too blinkered and want to listen to rumours and lies and allegations, then just goes to show how sad you really are, no proof, no credibility, the trolls will win , because all because up to now you have not got the back up of your convictions, we should be working together, but mindless morons dont want that,and rather sellthe borough down the drain,please look at what you aredoing,its no good anyone,the party but most of all the mostimportaznt people the community

In reply to “Support the Trolls Campaign” 9:44pm

Are you confirming that The Trolls of North Street have a campaign?

Is the “rumour” of vendattas and approved lists of candidates by Margaret Hodge true?

Is this a confession?

In reply to “Support the Trolls Campaign” 9:44pm

Are you confirming that The Trolls of North Street have a campaign?

Is the “rumour” of vendattas and approved lists of candidates by Margaret Hodge true?

Is this a confession?

Well have tried to read the posting left by: support the trolls campaign, I fully agree with the questions being asked by confused at 7.50am.

As for this troll, he/she is either drunk or illiterate, and knowing the bunch of trolls as we do my money is on illiterate.

It is stated we dont know the candidates or even spoken to them???? well that tells a story all of its own doesnt it?

Many of us know quite a few of the so called candidates, and many of us know quite a bit about them which will be published in another place for all to read, but of course we will be holding back some of the info until the election campaign really kicks off, believe me it will kill your trolls stone dead as far as the electorate is concerned.

And as for the candidates we dont know that speaks volumes against the Labour Party, if you look at the length of time served by the councillors you have dumped, plus of course their length of time as a member of the party dont you think that if these new candidates had been doing half the work you claim, or had been active in the party at all we would have known them.

You really cannot have it both ways you know, you really cannot expect us or the voters to support your candidates who have been members for just 12 months and who have their own agenda for getting elected and its certainly got nothing to do with the Labour Party Agenda.

But then again what do you trolls know about the Labour Party? it is just a convienient lable for you if the truth is told.

Well have tried to read the posting left by: support the trolls campaign, I fully agree with the questions being asked by confused at 7.50am.

As for this troll, he/she is either drunk or illiterate, and knowing the bunch of trolls as we do my money is on illiterate.

It is stated we dont know the candidates or even spoken to them???? well that tells a story all of its own doesnt it?

Many of us know quite a few of the so called candidates, and many of us know quite a bit about them which will be published in another place for all to read, but of course we will be holding back some of the info until the election campaign really kicks off, believe me it will kill your trolls stone dead as far as the electorate is concerned.

And as for the candidates we dont know that speaks volumes against the Labour Party, if you look at the length of time served by the councillors you have dumped, plus of course their length of time as a member of the party dont you think that if these new candidates had been doing half the work you claim, or had been active in the party at all we would have known them.

You really cannot have it both ways you know, you really cannot expect us or the voters to support your candidates who have been members for just 12 months and who have their own agenda for getting elected and its certainly got nothing to do with the Labour Party Agenda.

But then again what do you trolls know about the Labour Party? it is just a convienient lable for you if the truth is told.

you know nothing, as for being illiterate, doh,you still have not produced valid argument,all hearsay and huff and puff and veiled threats, there is nothing wrong with new people in the party as you lot have gone a bit stale,I ASM NOT A MEMBER OF THE SO CALLED MAFIA,but nor a supporter of you lot of sad cases,and you have not got the support of as many residents as you like to think stop throwing your toys out of the pram and do something constructive for once, then again you arewYOU Ynot realy capable are you,only for digging dirt
and your good at that, YOU ARE REALLY A SAD BUNCH ,YOU HAVE LOST BEFORE YOU STARTED,because of your attitude and false accusations and assumptions,on innocent people,who are trying their best whether new or o0ld
you where new once, sorry fdor putting your big noses out of joint
BUT MOST PEOPLE WANT CHANGE.

you know nothing, as for being illiterate, doh,you still have not produced valid argument,all hearsay and huff and puff and veiled threats, there is nothing wrong with new people in the party as you lot have gone a bit stale,I ASM NOT A MEMBER OF THE SO CALLED MAFIA,but nor a supporter of you lot of sad cases,and you have not got the support of as many residents as you like to think stop throwing your toys out of the pram and do something constructive for once, then again you arewYOU Ynot realy capable are you,only for digging dirt
and your good at that, YOU ARE REALLY A SAD BUNCH ,YOU HAVE LOST BEFORE YOU STARTED,because of your attitude and false accusations and assumptions,on innocent people,who are trying their best whether new or o0ld
you where new once, sorry fdor putting your big noses out of joint
BUT MOST PEOPLE WANT CHANGE.

OH dear “support the trolls campaign” you really are having problems stringing a sentance together arnt you. You may change your names around, but, use the same old lines, “huff and puff” etc. As for us digging for dirt, believe us when we say we have not had to dig too far.

It is all there on the surface we will just ensure that it gets to the widest of audiences.

You really could not be more wrong in claiming most people want change, but then again you probably have trouble reading what the ordinary members of the public have written on here, because your own self inflated ego will not accept that what is written is true.

OH dear “support the trolls campaign” you really are having problems stringing a sentance together arnt you. You may change your names around, but, use the same old lines, “huff and puff” etc. As for us digging for dirt, believe us when we say we have not had to dig too far.

It is all there on the surface we will just ensure that it gets to the widest of audiences.

You really could not be more wrong in claiming most people want change, but then again you probably have trouble reading what the ordinary members of the public have written on here, because your own self inflated ego will not accept that what is written is true.

COME ON MARGARET HODGE SHOW SOME GUMPTION FOR THE PEOPLE THAT PUT YOU IN THE PLACE YOU ARE NOW. THE RESIDENTS OF BARKING ASK YOU TO PLAY FAIR BECAUSE YOU MIGHT NEED US SOON

COME ON MARGARET HODGE SHOW SOME GUMPTION FOR THE PEOPLE THAT PUT YOU IN THE PLACE YOU ARE NOW. THE RESIDENTS OF BARKING ASK YOU TO PLAY FAIR BECAUSE YOU MIGHT NEED US SOON

I have heard that people are losing the impetus to carry on with the fight.

Don’t worry there are plans afoot behind the scenes. This issue will NOT go away.

It may seem like nothing is being done, but believe me it is.

I have heard that people are losing the impetus to carry on with the fight.

Don’t worry there are plans afoot behind the scenes. This issue will NOT go away.

It may seem like nothing is being done, but believe me it is.

Support the Trolls Campaign july 12 1.12p.m

Assumptions, false accusations, on INNOCENT people.

I don’t think so.

If everyone is a sad bunch why are they fighting for the right to speak out against corruption in the political party that is running this Borough.

Some of the new Candidates are just Yes men, who have been hand picked because they will do as they are told.

Good, caring people who have the welfare of this Borough at heart and have done for years are being cast aside because they will not conform to certain individuals who are only out for their own ends, and using personal vendettas to get them.

Support the Trolls Campaign july 12 1.12p.m

Assumptions, false accusations, on INNOCENT people.

I don’t think so.

If everyone is a sad bunch why are they fighting for the right to speak out against corruption in the political party that is running this Borough.

Some of the new Candidates are just Yes men, who have been hand picked because they will do as they are told.

Good, caring people who have the welfare of this Borough at heart and have done for years are being cast aside because they will not conform to certain individuals who are only out for their own ends, and using personal vendettas to get them.

I have been reading this column since it started, and all I can say is that Joan Rawlinson has been our candidate in Thames Ward ever since I came to live here years ago. She has helped me in lots of ways.

Now I understand that we are supposed to vote for someone else, who I have never heard of and wouldn’t know if I passed them on the street. Why would I vote for them?

I have deduced that there is lots of shilly shallying going on behind the scenes.

It worries me greatly that no-one has ever introduced these new candidates to us on Scrattons Farm.

I have heard of Barry Poulton, because his name is on a poster in our shop, but who the hell are Jose Channer and Cameron Geddes. Why should I vote for someone I don’t know. We have never seen Barry Poulton on this estate, but everyone knows Joan.

It seems to me that Scrattons that Scrattons Farm will once again be the little estate at the end of the Borough that some people have never heard of.

I have been reading this column since it started, and all I can say is that Joan Rawlinson has been our candidate in Thames Ward ever since I came to live here years ago. She has helped me in lots of ways.

Now I understand that we are supposed to vote for someone else, who I have never heard of and wouldn’t know if I passed them on the street. Why would I vote for them?

I have deduced that there is lots of shilly shallying going on behind the scenes.

It worries me greatly that no-one has ever introduced these new candidates to us on Scrattons Farm.

I have heard of Barry Poulton, because his name is on a poster in our shop, but who the hell are Jose Channer and Cameron Geddes. Why should I vote for someone I don’t know. We have never seen Barry Poulton on this estate, but everyone knows Joan.

It seems to me that Scrattons that Scrattons Farm will once again be the little estate at the end of the Borough that some people have never heard of.

Re: Scrattons farm residents comments, I totally agree with everything you have said.

Joan is not one of those people who goes round shouting her mouth off, but, she certainly gets the job done for her people, and shame on the North Street mafia for what they are trying to do to her and Fred.

And for who, the womble Barry Poulton, who spends half his time picking up litter and the rest at 102 North street.

To our knowledge he has never spoken on behalf of the residents of Thames ward in the council chamber, the only time he does talk we are told is if the officer has made a spelling mistake or a grammatical mistake in a report.

So welcome the resident from Scrattons we are sure there will be many more of you to lead a group in support of Joan.

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Re: Scrattons farm residents comments, I totally agree with everything you have said.

Joan is not one of those p