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	<title>Comments on: How the next decade can belong to Labour</title>
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		<title>By: Halo Reach News</title>
		<link>http://www.tribunemagazine.co.uk/2009/08/how-the-next-decade-can-belong-to-labour/comment-page-1/#comment-14249</link>
		<dc:creator>Halo Reach News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2010 19:44:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Halo Reach News</title>
		<link>http://www.tribunemagazine.co.uk/2009/08/how-the-next-decade-can-belong-to-labour/comment-page-1/#comment-21345</link>
		<dc:creator>Halo Reach News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2010 19:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Lord Adiar Turner - Lack of Political Will is real Block to Tobin &#124; Social Europe Journal</title>
		<link>http://www.tribunemagazine.co.uk/2009/08/how-the-next-decade-can-belong-to-labour/comment-page-1/#comment-10109</link>
		<dc:creator>Lord Adiar Turner - Lack of Political Will is real Block to Tobin &#124; Social Europe Journal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 23:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] fact, the Tobin Tax was almost prophetically described in a recent August Tribune article calling for the rejuvenation of the Labour Party by David Miliband –for many the heir apparent to [...]</description>
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		<title>By: robert james</title>
		<link>http://www.tribunemagazine.co.uk/2009/08/how-the-next-decade-can-belong-to-labour/comment-page-1/#comment-9687</link>
		<dc:creator>robert james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 21:20:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said Joe Patterson, and well put.

these empty vessels expect us to believe them...

just look at Milly&#039;s claim that they are shifting from &#039;targets and standards to rights and entitlements&#039;, when we have all suffered under these insufferably arrogant professional con-men, the COMPLETE REVERSE over the last thirteen years - are you NUTS???? what have we been paying you billions to do???? &#039;Oh, after a decade of sterile and cynical  government we have now reversed all our thinking&#039;...HOW CAN WE TAKE YOU SERIOUSLY? 

BTW, is this another revised New Labour measure for a time period? (see wikipedia, &#039;the generation length is 27.4 years in the United Kingdom as of 2004.)how do you trust such nonsense?

if the labour manifesto is not truly&#039;revolutionary&#039;, forget it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said Joe Patterson, and well put.</p>
<p>these empty vessels expect us to believe them&#8230;</p>
<p>just look at Milly&#8217;s claim that they are shifting from &#8216;targets and standards to rights and entitlements&#8217;, when we have all suffered under these insufferably arrogant professional con-men, the COMPLETE REVERSE over the last thirteen years &#8211; are you NUTS???? what have we been paying you billions to do???? &#8216;Oh, after a decade of sterile and cynical  government we have now reversed all our thinking&#8217;&#8230;HOW CAN WE TAKE YOU SERIOUSLY? </p>
<p>BTW, is this another revised New Labour measure for a time period? (see wikipedia, &#8216;the generation length is 27.4 years in the United Kingdom as of 2004.)how do you trust such nonsense?</p>
<p>if the labour manifesto is not truly&#8217;revolutionary&#8217;, forget it.</p>
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		<title>By: robert james</title>
		<link>http://www.tribunemagazine.co.uk/2009/08/how-the-next-decade-can-belong-to-labour/comment-page-1/#comment-21344</link>
		<dc:creator>robert james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 21:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said Joe Patterson, and well put.

these empty vessels expect us to believe them...

just look at Milly&#039;s claim that they are shifting from &#039;targets and standards to rights and entitlements&#039;, when we have all suffered under these insufferably arrogant professional con-men, the COMPLETE REVERSE over the last thirteen years - are you NUTS???? what have we been paying you billions to do???? &#039;Oh, after a decade of sterile and cynical  government we have now reversed all our thinking&#039;...HOW CAN WE TAKE YOU SERIOUSLY? 

BTW, is this another revised New Labour measure for a time period? (see wikipedia, &#039;the generation length is 27.4 years in the United Kingdom as of 2004.)how do you trust such nonsense?

if the labour manifesto is not truly&#039;revolutionary&#039;, forget it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said Joe Patterson, and well put.</p>
<p>these empty vessels expect us to believe them&#8230;</p>
<p>just look at Milly&#8217;s claim that they are shifting from &#8216;targets and standards to rights and entitlements&#8217;, when we have all suffered under these insufferably arrogant professional con-men, the COMPLETE REVERSE over the last thirteen years &#8211; are you NUTS???? what have we been paying you billions to do???? &#8216;Oh, after a decade of sterile and cynical  government we have now reversed all our thinking&#8217;&#8230;HOW CAN WE TAKE YOU SERIOUSLY? </p>
<p>BTW, is this another revised New Labour measure for a time period? (see wikipedia, &#8216;the generation length is 27.4 years in the United Kingdom as of 2004.)how do you trust such nonsense?</p>
<p>if the labour manifesto is not truly&#8217;revolutionary&#8217;, forget it.</p>
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		<title>By: terence patrick hewett</title>
		<link>http://www.tribunemagazine.co.uk/2009/08/how-the-next-decade-can-belong-to-labour/comment-page-1/#comment-9675</link>
		<dc:creator>terence patrick hewett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 03:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was the defenestration of Mrs Thatcher that undid the Tories for a generation not Thatcherism.</description>
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		<title>By: terence patrick hewett</title>
		<link>http://www.tribunemagazine.co.uk/2009/08/how-the-next-decade-can-belong-to-labour/comment-page-1/#comment-21343</link>
		<dc:creator>terence patrick hewett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 03:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was the defenestration of Mrs Thatcher that undid the Tories for a generation not Thatcherism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was the defenestration of Mrs Thatcher that undid the Tories for a generation not Thatcherism.</p>
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		<title>By: Labour&#8217;s primary concern &#124; We-found-it</title>
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		<dc:creator>Labour&#8217;s primary concern &#124; We-found-it</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 22:43:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This is an altered select of an article publicised in the underway edition of Tribune, reproduced by category permission. The flooded edition crapper be feature here [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Labourhome &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Nice One Lawson!</title>
		<link>http://www.tribunemagazine.co.uk/2009/08/how-the-next-decade-can-belong-to-labour/comment-page-1/#comment-9664</link>
		<dc:creator>Labourhome &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Nice One Lawson!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 22:01:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The interview was supposed to be about an article by David Miliband (of all people) published in Tribune which was interpreted as supporting the idea of a Totnes style MP selection [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Joe Patterson</title>
		<link>http://www.tribunemagazine.co.uk/2009/08/how-the-next-decade-can-belong-to-labour/comment-page-1/#comment-9663</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Patterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 20:23:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The traditional political structures of mainstream political parties are dying and our biggest concern is the gap between our membership and our potential voter base.&quot;


They are not dying they are long dead and both  TweedleDum and   Tweedle Dee will do anything but recognise this. They   will constantly  pretend to be extending democracy by this or that tinkering at the edges of what has long ceased to be a democracy (if indeed it ever was one). What possble fundamental difference can it make to our represention if we have primaries but retain an electoral system where around 70% of all votes cast are just wasted. Or where we always land up with a minority elective dictatorship with a phoney unrepresentative overall parliamentary majority but the support of less than a third of the electoraate (we should in this connexion never cease to ram home the fact that at present we have a government - a minority elective dictatorship - with the support of a mere 21% of the electorate).

And in 2010 we shall get a minority elective dictatorship of the other half of the the cosy duopoly that has evovled under first-past-the-post, and this  will come out with its own brand of rubbish about extending democracy but at the same time refusing to do anything about the fundamental  reason why we have not got a democracy in the first place. 

This deadlock will not be overcome until the population as a whole rises up and demands a system which gives us MP’s and a majority supported government who actuallly represent what we have voted for. Sadly I do not see any sign of such a revolt. There is too much electoral ignorance and apathy.

Incidentally STV in multi-member constituencies would not only be  porportional but it would solve automatically the problem of getting the right candidates elected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The traditional political structures of mainstream political parties are dying and our biggest concern is the gap between our membership and our potential voter base.&#8221;</p>
<p>They are not dying they are long dead and both  TweedleDum and   Tweedle Dee will do anything but recognise this. They   will constantly  pretend to be extending democracy by this or that tinkering at the edges of what has long ceased to be a democracy (if indeed it ever was one). What possble fundamental difference can it make to our represention if we have primaries but retain an electoral system where around 70% of all votes cast are just wasted. Or where we always land up with a minority elective dictatorship with a phoney unrepresentative overall parliamentary majority but the support of less than a third of the electoraate (we should in this connexion never cease to ram home the fact that at present we have a government &#8211; a minority elective dictatorship &#8211; with the support of a mere 21% of the electorate).</p>
<p>And in 2010 we shall get a minority elective dictatorship of the other half of the the cosy duopoly that has evovled under first-past-the-post, and this  will come out with its own brand of rubbish about extending democracy but at the same time refusing to do anything about the fundamental  reason why we have not got a democracy in the first place. </p>
<p>This deadlock will not be overcome until the population as a whole rises up and demands a system which gives us MP’s and a majority supported government who actuallly represent what we have voted for. Sadly I do not see any sign of such a revolt. There is too much electoral ignorance and apathy.</p>
<p>Incidentally STV in multi-member constituencies would not only be  porportional but it would solve automatically the problem of getting the right candidates elected.</p>
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