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I don’t expect this will get through moderation, but I fervently hope Nick Griffin wins. The Labour party lied to drag the UK into an illegal war which resulted in the deaths of half a million people. How many people have died because of BNP policies? The Labour party has become a sinister, fascist, undemocratic, mass murdering disgrace. I look forward to Blair being tried as a war criminal and the Labour party being buried without trace.

I don’t expect this will get through moderation, but I fervently hope Nick Griffin wins. The Labour party lied to drag the UK into an illegal war which resulted in the deaths of half a million people. How many people have died because of BNP policies? The Labour party has become a sinister, fascist, undemocratic, mass murdering disgrace. I look forward to Blair being tried as a war criminal and the Labour party being buried without trace.

Stan – I suggest you look closer at the policies of the BNP before you decide to comment. Last time a facist party like them came to power and thats what they are no matter how they decide to dress it up. In answer to your question – 6 Million died!!! Wake up and educate yourself about what your supporting before you put a tick in the BNP box

Stan – I suggest you look closer at the policies of the BNP before you decide to comment. Last time a facist party like them came to power and thats what they are no matter how they decide to dress it up. In answer to your question – 6 Million died!!! Wake up and educate yourself about what your supporting before you put a tick in the BNP box

True Labour;
omg, Do you really believe Nick Griffin winning the barking and dagenham council will result in 6million deaths! Its this kind of pathetic, doo-gooder, ultra-leftist attitude thats turned this country into the laughing stock of Europe! Britain is zooming towards becoming a 3rd world nation I can only hope you will enjoy it shame on you!

True Labour;
omg, Do you really believe Nick Griffin winning the barking and dagenham council will result in 6million deaths! Its this kind of pathetic, doo-gooder, ultra-leftist attitude thats turned this country into the laughing stock of Europe! Britain is zooming towards becoming a 3rd world nation I can only hope you will enjoy it shame on you!

Bill,

Get a grip, Nick is standing for Parliament, not the Council.

I think you’ll find it was because Labour was following right wing mantra produced in drab-rags like the Sun and Daily Mail, this country is in the mess it is. Greed, greed greed and right wing corruption.

We need to move politics back to the centre with a little fairness from the Left. Voting in Griffin won’t do this, it will ruin the reputation of a fine Town and result in the BNP thugs believeing they can bully decent hard working people with violence and verbal abuse in the cowardly manner they do.

Bill,

Get a grip, Nick is standing for Parliament, not the Council.

I think you’ll find it was because Labour was following right wing mantra produced in drab-rags like the Sun and Daily Mail, this country is in the mess it is. Greed, greed greed and right wing corruption.

We need to move politics back to the centre with a little fairness from the Left. Voting in Griffin won’t do this, it will ruin the reputation of a fine Town and result in the BNP thugs believeing they can bully decent hard working people with violence and verbal abuse in the cowardly manner they do.

Ralph,

Despite you trying to score a point on Bill’s typo, as he correctly pointed out it is the self serving liblabcon shambolic policies that has dragged this country down.

I sincerely hope Griffin wins.

Ralph,

Despite you trying to score a point on Bill’s typo, as he correctly pointed out it is the self serving liblabcon shambolic policies that has dragged this country down.

I sincerely hope Griffin wins.

I voted for the BNP back in 2006 – and wont be doing so again. In this time I have not had any conact with Jarvis my BNP councillor his email address does not work, his telephone number does not allow incoming calls and he has not been at surgery either! He has got paid to do jack sh*t and I hear that he is not the only one to be doing this – taking our money and not giving back to us voters! Just as well I dont live in Barking as the Griffin wont be getting my vote as it seems the leader is doign the smae thing to the people up north – taking not giving!!!

I voted for the BNP back in 2006 – and wont be doing so again. In this time I have not had any conact with Jarvis my BNP councillor his email address does not work, his telephone number does not allow incoming calls and he has not been at surgery either! He has got paid to do jack sh*t and I hear that he is not the only one to be doing this – taking our money and not giving back to us voters! Just as well I dont live in Barking as the Griffin wont be getting my vote as it seems the leader is doign the smae thing to the people up north – taking not giving!!!

Toni,

The consequences for a Griffin voctory and the BNP controlling the Council will affect the lives of thousands of innocent men women and children who will be hounded and persecuted.

The behaviour in Belfast is not wanted here thanks.

My neighbours are terrified and though I am certainly not supporting many of the incredibly stupid policies brought in by the idiotic unelites in the party I refuse to blame a minority group for it.

It’s cowardly, underhanded and pathetic.

I am as furious as anyone about the MP’s conduct and blatent moronic behaviour that has scandalised a Party that has a proud history for social justice, and am utterly shocked at the grasping callous nature of the PLP. I really am, it is taking all my forbearence not to go looking for them and beat the crap out of them.

They have placed the elctorate in a terrible position politically and I am deeply upset for the people of this country that I love so much and who have been utterly betrayed.

But I won’t sacrifice my conduct and behaviour for the toilet trash in Parliament.

Toni,

The consequences for a Griffin voctory and the BNP controlling the Council will affect the lives of thousands of innocent men women and children who will be hounded and persecuted.

The behaviour in Belfast is not wanted here thanks.

My neighbours are terrified and though I am certainly not supporting many of the incredibly stupid policies brought in by the idiotic unelites in the party I refuse to blame a minority group for it.

It’s cowardly, underhanded and pathetic.

I am as furious as anyone about the MP’s conduct and blatent moronic behaviour that has scandalised a Party that has a proud history for social justice, and am utterly shocked at the grasping callous nature of the PLP. I really am, it is taking all my forbearence not to go looking for them and beat the crap out of them.

They have placed the elctorate in a terrible position politically and I am deeply upset for the people of this country that I love so much and who have been utterly betrayed.

But I won’t sacrifice my conduct and behaviour for the toilet trash in Parliament.

Ralph,
with respect, turning a blind eye to the emotive language in your post and the red herring of Belfast, reading behind the lines what you are really asking for is a vote for Labour for old time’s sake right?
Well sorry, no can do! liblabcon has blown it big time. My father was a lifelong Labour supporter as I was until recently so the times they really are a-changing!
I will be voting BNP.

Ralph,
with respect, turning a blind eye to the emotive language in your post and the red herring of Belfast, reading behind the lines what you are really asking for is a vote for Labour for old time’s sake right?
Well sorry, no can do! liblabcon has blown it big time. My father was a lifelong Labour supporter as I was until recently so the times they really are a-changing!
I will be voting BNP.

So Tony you are saying that in spite of everything you would vote for the kinds of people who walk up to a sixteen year old coloured girl and call her a black cxxt.
The kind of people who threaten Vicars after a remembrance service.

Guess that vote of yours will leave you standing so very proud.

It really must be something to have that level of integrity.

Dear friend Ralph
Can you not see that what we have now is toilet trash in parliament? How many grass root working class MP’s are there left anyway in NULabour I wonder? People that would truly understand social tensions and stand up for areas such as Dagenham I wonder?
They all seem to come from privilaged backgrounds and have put into practice the looney lefty ideas they probably fermented back in the old Student UNI bar after 4 or 5 pints of John Smiths, like this MP Hodge who has probably never seen a Barking council flat from here pad in Islington, until now that she might have to get her hands slightly soiled amongst the riff raff.
I’m not BNP yet, but I see far less bullying going on there then I see from the media and from main stream political parties.

I can also understand how many working class white British people might feel alienated regarding out of control imigration. Here are some experienced I had earlier this year in London.

1. I cought a train from North Woolwich going to Finsbury park, I was the only white face on the train for several stops, then some white people got on, and they started talking in Russion, so I heard no English spoken in my compartment, I felt I was somewhere Africa most of the journey.

2.
A friend asked me to go watch a footy match on TV in a soucial club in Thamesmead, there were only about 10 people in there when I arrived of mixed races, pretty much ok. Then just before the match started about 100, yes 100, men of African origin burst in, and all I heard for 2 hours was people shouting in African, they took over in there but never even bought a drink.

3 I also got mugged in London this spring, by the time I called the phone company a couple of hours later, almost a £1000 of calls had been made to Nigeria!

I live in an OK multi cultural road on the SE London/Kent borders, it is certainly becoming more and more of an African area but the mix is still ok here. What I do regret though is the unfortunate fact that I tend not to go into London anymore because I don’t feel safe, there are so many gangs of youths about, I have whitnessed these in action on occasions, and its simple not pleasent and very scary I can assure you.
People are just accepting things though unfortunately while being distracted watching video nasties and listening to ganster rap.

Josh Erith

So Tony you are saying that in spite of everything you would vote for the kinds of people who walk up to a sixteen year old coloured girl and call her a black cxxt.
The kind of people who threaten Vicars after a remembrance service.

Guess that vote of yours will leave you standing so very proud.

It really must be something to have that level of integrity.

Dear friend Ralph
Can you not see that what we have now is toilet trash in parliament? How many grass root working class MP’s are there left anyway in NULabour I wonder? People that would truly understand social tensions and stand up for areas such as Dagenham I wonder?
They all seem to come from privilaged backgrounds and have put into practice the looney lefty ideas they probably fermented back in the old Student UNI bar after 4 or 5 pints of John Smiths, like this MP Hodge who has probably never seen a Barking council flat from here pad in Islington, until now that she might have to get her hands slightly soiled amongst the riff raff.
I’m not BNP yet, but I see far less bullying going on there then I see from the media and from main stream political parties.

I can also understand how many working class white British people might feel alienated regarding out of control imigration. Here are some experienced I had earlier this year in London.

1. I cought a train from North Woolwich going to Finsbury park, I was the only white face on the train for several stops, then some white people got on, and they started talking in Russion, so I heard no English spoken in my compartment, I felt I was somewhere Africa most of the journey.

2.
A friend asked me to go watch a footy match on TV in a soucial club in Thamesmead, there were only about 10 people in there when I arrived of mixed races, pretty much ok. Then just before the match started about 100, yes 100, men of African origin burst in, and all I heard for 2 hours was people shouting in African, they took over in there but never even bought a drink.

3 I also got mugged in London this spring, by the time I called the phone company a couple of hours later, almost a £1000 of calls had been made to Nigeria!

I live in an OK multi cultural road on the SE London/Kent borders, it is certainly becoming more and more of an African area but the mix is still ok here. What I do regret though is the unfortunate fact that I tend not to go into London anymore because I don’t feel safe, there are so many gangs of youths about, I have whitnessed these in action on occasions, and its simple not pleasent and very scary I can assure you.
People are just accepting things though unfortunately while being distracted watching video nasties and listening to ganster rap.

Josh Erith

Josh,

Thank you for your frank and polite response.
I am not as you may have noticed a great fan of Government Policy and conduct.

However, the BNP are not just going to send people home peacefully or deal with the countries problems responsibly.

They are potentially murderess in their intent and though they play nice to the media, in practice they threaten anyone who disagrees with them.

This is not british and not the way we solve our problems.

As for Margaret Hodge, in the time I have been in Barking she has been very active on the doorstep. Believe me I barely trust any MP, bout so far Margaret has not rubbed me up the wrong way with what she is doing.

I have canvassed for 27 years and met many good/bad candidates and though I am still deeply suspicious I think I will support this women who has spent a great deal of time in her Constituency.

How many MP’s can we say this for?

Also she did not use her expenses to set up a property portfolio at our expense. I have been very active in condemning poor MP’s who have let the country down, it is therefore only fair (British sense of fair play) to applaud the ones who don’t regardless of which party they are a part of.

As difficult as it is I will be supporting Margaret Hodge 100%

Josh,

Thank you for your frank and polite response.
I am not as you may have noticed a great fan of Government Policy and conduct.

However, the BNP are not just going to send people home peacefully or deal with the countries problems responsibly.

They are potentially murderess in their intent and though they play nice to the media, in practice they threaten anyone who disagrees with them.

This is not british and not the way we solve our problems.

As for Margaret Hodge, in the time I have been in Barking she has been very active on the doorstep. Believe me I barely trust any MP, bout so far Margaret has not rubbed me up the wrong way with what she is doing.

I have canvassed for 27 years and met many good/bad candidates and though I am still deeply suspicious I think I will support this women who has spent a great deal of time in her Constituency.

How many MP’s can we say this for?

Also she did not use her expenses to set up a property portfolio at our expense. I have been very active in condemning poor MP’s who have let the country down, it is therefore only fair (British sense of fair play) to applaud the ones who don’t regardless of which party they are a part of.

As difficult as it is I will be supporting Margaret Hodge 100%

I will be voting BNP. I wish Nick Griffin all the success in his campaign. It’s time to get Britain back.

Before anyone criticises the BNP, take a look at how a manifesto promise to hold a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty was broken. Look at how we’ve been invaded by foreign cultures; look at how we’ve given large quantities of our sovereignty away to the EU – although started by the Tories, this has manifested twofold under New Labour.

I’m part of a voting group that has pledged to vote BNP. Goodbye New Labour.

John – BSc Politics & International Relations

I will be voting BNP. I wish Nick Griffin all the success in his campaign. It’s time to get Britain back.

Before anyone criticises the BNP, take a look at how a manifesto promise to hold a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty was broken. Look at how we’ve been invaded by foreign cultures; look at how we’ve given large quantities of our sovereignty away to the EU – although started by the Tories, this has manifested twofold under New Labour.

I’m part of a voting group that has pledged to vote BNP. Goodbye New Labour.

John – BSc Politics & International Relations

John,

I fail how to see how the issues you raise will be dealt with by a band of murdering thugs.

Facists are facists, not flowers.

None of the issues you raised, though problematic deserve a response from a group as harsh, cold and callous as the BNP.

There are other parties available to you if you are deeply anti-Internationist and anti-Europe, UKIP for example.

You don’t have to choose a lethal and dangerous group that threaten those who disagree with them when there are democratic options.

Ultimately though the choice is yours though.

John,

I fail how to see how the issues you raise will be dealt with by a band of murdering thugs.

Facists are facists, not flowers.

None of the issues you raised, though problematic deserve a response from a group as harsh, cold and callous as the BNP.

There are other parties available to you if you are deeply anti-Internationist and anti-Europe, UKIP for example.

You don’t have to choose a lethal and dangerous group that threaten those who disagree with them when there are democratic options.

Ultimately though the choice is yours though.

The Liebour government has led to mass debt, unemployment, poverty, gun crime, illegal immigration, tax, war, need I write more?

If you want something more, the left wing fools on this site should stop exagerating, hysterical liberals whom use the holocaust to scare people are not just alarmist and immoral they are politically stupid! If the BNP do win in a Westminster election or take a council what will the new left wing tactic be, alledge Nick Griffin sunk the titanic. Because the old the BNP are Nazis failed at the Euro elections and will probably fail again.

John,

The events I described occured. I am not alraming anyone, if I wanted to alram people I can do so using far more potent and well medium than a leftist blogsite to do so.

You don’t fix a broken glass with a sledge hammer, which is the equivalent of voting BNP during the current problems.

John,

The events I described occured. I am not alraming anyone, if I wanted to alram people I can do so using far more potent and well medium than a leftist blogsite to do so.

You don’t fix a broken glass with a sledge hammer, which is the equivalent of voting BNP during the current problems.

Just to prevent confusion I thought I’d mention that I’m not John Tate, I’m a different one. However, I agree with what he says.

No Left-Wing advocate can stipulate what would happen under a BNP Government, because we haven’t had one yet. However, we can state what New Labour have done, and that is *destroy* the UK; and that’s not an exaggeration either.

The BNP would at least reinstate sovereignty.

Also, as for the BNP supposedly being a fascist racist party, they are set to let in their first non-white member, a Sikh.

My sentiments, if one loves this country, vote BNP.

P.S. and guess what? I’m not a thug – shock horror!

John – BSc Politics & International Relations

Just to prevent confusion I thought I’d mention that I’m not John Tate, I’m a different one. However, I agree with what he says.

No Left-Wing advocate can stipulate what would happen under a BNP Government, because we haven’t had one yet. However, we can state what New Labour have done, and that is *destroy* the UK; and that’s not an exaggeration either.

The BNP would at least reinstate sovereignty.

Also, as for the BNP supposedly being a fascist racist party, they are set to let in their first non-white member, a Sikh.

My sentiments, if one loves this country, vote BNP.

P.S. and guess what? I’m not a thug – shock horror!

John – BSc Politics & International Relations

If you have indeed got a degree in Politics and International Relations then you would agree that your comment that Labour has destroyed the UK is a bit far fetched. You may not agree with everything hat they have done, but in the 12 Years that they have been in government they have changed a number of things for the better – Pension Credits for our elderly and Warmzone helping people to keep their houses warm and lower their bills, working tax credits to help families on low incomes, in our borough there are 7 health centers, 2 walk in centers, and two community hospital to be built. 270 million pounds are also be invested into our schools in Barking and Dagenham alone. Having read the budget of the BNP the best they could come up with was second hand caravans and the building of a institutions to keep our disabled children in and single mothers. You may be educated and able to take exams but you are not worldly wise and don’t know the issues that affect the people in Barking and Dagenham and that’s why the BNP will lose here.

Your statement about not being a thug may well be true however it has been well documented that football hooligans also come form professional backgrounds including university lectures.

As for Mr. Singh his background seems quite extreme anyway, and at best this can be seen as tokenism as the majority of BNP members are not happy. The party only agreed to allow BME members under duress.

If you have indeed got a degree in Politics and International Relations then you would agree that your comment that Labour has destroyed the UK is a bit far fetched. You may not agree with everything hat they have done, but in the 12 Years that they have been in government they have changed a number of things for the better – Pension Credits for our elderly and Warmzone helping people to keep their houses warm and lower their bills, working tax credits to help families on low incomes, in our borough there are 7 health centers, 2 walk in centers, and two community hospital to be built. 270 million pounds are also be invested into our schools in Barking and Dagenham alone. Having read the budget of the BNP the best they could come up with was second hand caravans and the building of a institutions to keep our disabled children in and single mothers. You may be educated and able to take exams but you are not worldly wise and don’t know the issues that affect the people in Barking and Dagenham and that’s why the BNP will lose here.

Your statement about not being a thug may well be true however it has been well documented that football hooligans also come form professional backgrounds including university lectures.

As for Mr. Singh his background seems quite extreme anyway, and at best this can be seen as tokenism as the majority of BNP members are not happy. The party only agreed to allow BME members under duress.

Linda,

Thank you for your contribution, I could not have put it better myself.

Linda,

Thank you for your contribution, I could not have put it better myself.

Dear Linda,

New Labour *have* destroyed the UK. We live in an anarchical international system, therefore dispensing national sovereignty with other states, who at any time could crumble, dictates that this could successively lead to the UK falling with them. Using the former USSR as an example, the turmoil experienced by the population as a result of the governing rule of individuals external to their home nation was extremely profound. This can be seen to be the way the EU, and as a consequence, the UK is headed.

Remember, that only *one* of the four major EU institutions is democratically elected, and that is the EP. They cannot propose legislation; they cannot enforce the will of the people, and they cannot overturn laws implemented by the Council of Ministers or the Commission. So, where is democracy in this? Why have New Labour entered us into a system where there is a severe democratic deficit?

Therefore, I put it to any Neolabourite, that they do not support democracy.

As for this:

“You may be educated and able to take exams but you are not worldly wise and don’t know the issues that affect the people in Barking and Dagenham and that’s why the BNP will lose here”.

Well, let’s be honest, as extreme assertion here; an assertion being an unsupported statement. You seem sure that the BNP will lose, a rather naive view. I can’t say who will win, but there is a very high possibility that the BNP will win.

John

Dear Linda,

New Labour *have* destroyed the UK. We live in an anarchical international system, therefore dispensing national sovereignty with other states, who at any time could crumble, dictates that this could successively lead to the UK falling with them. Using the former USSR as an example, the turmoil experienced by the population as a result of the governing rule of individuals external to their home nation was extremely profound. This can be seen to be the way the EU, and as a consequence, the UK is headed.

Remember, that only *one* of the four major EU institutions is democratically elected, and that is the EP. They cannot propose legislation; they cannot enforce the will of the people, and they cannot overturn laws implemented by the Council of Ministers or the Commission. So, where is democracy in this? Why have New Labour entered us into a system where there is a severe democratic deficit?

Therefore, I put it to any Neolabourite, that they do not support democracy.

As for this:

“You may be educated and able to take exams but you are not worldly wise and don’t know the issues that affect the people in Barking and Dagenham and that’s why the BNP will lose here”.

Well, let’s be honest, as extreme assertion here; an assertion being an unsupported statement. You seem sure that the BNP will lose, a rather naive view. I can’t say who will win, but there is a very high possibility that the BNP will win.

John

John,

Thank you for your contribution, I could not have put it better myself!

Labour have been a dead loss Linda,
face up to it.

John,

Thank you for your contribution, I could not have put it better myself!

Labour have been a dead loss Linda,
face up to it.

Ralph/ Linda, calm down go back to your fantasies that Britain is on the verge of a forth Reich. New Labour are the real problem any government that is full of people whom claimed for toilets and pornography while our soldiers are dying in Iraq because they do not have body armour are beyond EVIL! Open your eyes and see the unemployment lines, and flag draped coffins. Your probably good people at heart, but you make the raving loony party seem intellectual with these 1930s Germany rants. REGISTER TO VOTE NOW!!! AND VOTE OUT NEW LIEBOUR. What does it take another war built on lies and 3 million more illegal immigrants?

John/Toni/John Tate,

I guess the reason Nick Griffin stood in a European Election along with UKIP and all the other right wingers was because Europe was such an undemocratic entity they decided to condemn it by taking part in proceedings and taking there own fill of EU money whilst not doing a single thing to reform or protest about it in any substantial manner.

I have seen BNP members in the Barking Town Hall and listened to their threats on councillors and am fully aware of what they plan to do if given the chance. Destroy all democracy is their ultimate objective and of course, to destroy their enemies including those who disagree with them.

I have condemned those politicians who have committed expenses actions, and been very vocal about those MP’s who have done far worse things, like everyone else I do not wish to see any further EU integration that is not democratically accountable and transparent.

The idea that we are in an anarchic situation is utter nonesense. But as always we are a country that has and is in a bad way.

To address these issues the best method is to work within the existing democratic parties and to have the courage to condemn publically those actions that as most people realise are certainly NOT in the countries best interests.

Like you people I am an enemy of the political unelites but I will never, ever support a Communist or Fascist Party as history has shown again and again the misery, slaughter and senseless hatred that such parties bring to the world.

I am still pursuing those MP’s who are a disgrace to this country and will not rest in doing so, but that is secondary to finding the correct policies to help ALL the people who are in the community and doing all I can to solve the problems they face. Not for any money but from the sense of duty instilled in me by my parents and also from my experience in the armed forces.

I am disgusted with many in the House of Commons as I am with European political corruption, but I think you’ll find there are no Parties in Europe that are clean, and that is including your precious BNP.

Everyone realises this country needs radical reform, but it needs good ethical and clean leadership, when it will occur I don’t know but we need it along with serious decentralising of power and a decent Constitutional settlement.

John/Toni/John Tate,

I guess the reason Nick Griffin stood in a European Election along with UKIP and all the other right wingers was because Europe was such an undemocratic entity they decided to condemn it by taking part in proceedings and taking there own fill of EU money whilst not doing a single thing to reform or protest about it in any substantial manner.

I have seen BNP members in the Barking Town Hall and listened to their threats on councillors and am fully aware of what they plan to do if given the chance. Destroy all democracy is their ultimate objective and of course, to destroy their enemies including those who disagree with them.

I have condemned those politicians who have committed expenses actions, and been very vocal about those MP’s who have done far worse things, like everyone else I do not wish to see any further EU integration that is not democratically accountable and transparent.

The idea that we are in an anarchic situation is utter nonesense. But as always we are a country that has and is in a bad way.

To address these issues the best method is to work within the existing democratic parties and to have the courage to condemn publically those actions that as most people realise are certainly NOT in the countries best interests.

Like you people I am an enemy of the political unelites but I will never, ever support a Communist or Fascist Party as history has shown again and again the misery, slaughter and senseless hatred that such parties bring to the world.

I am still pursuing those MP’s who are a disgrace to this country and will not rest in doing so, but that is secondary to finding the correct policies to help ALL the people who are in the community and doing all I can to solve the problems they face. Not for any money but from the sense of duty instilled in me by my parents and also from my experience in the armed forces.

I am disgusted with many in the House of Commons as I am with European political corruption, but I think you’ll find there are no Parties in Europe that are clean, and that is including your precious BNP.

Everyone realises this country needs radical reform, but it needs good ethical and clean leadership, when it will occur I don’t know but we need it along with serious decentralising of power and a decent Constitutional settlement.

Ralph, you said:

“The idea that we are in an anarchic situation is utter nonesense. But as always we are a country that has and is in a bad way.”

If it’s utter nonsense, where’s the “world Government”? Think before you speak. Being in an “anarchical international system” means that there is no *world Government*. So, what you wrote, is in fact, utter nonsense.

Further to this, you are not the only one with service in the Armed Forces. Therefore, I expect you to be fully aware that a *huge* proportion of the Army are in favour of the BNP; and seeing as though I’ve was in recently, I have insight into this.

As for the BNP & UKIP in the EU, they are trying to force the devolution of the EU. Are you ignorant to this, or were you trying to be misleading?

Your propaganda against the BNP is akin to school girl playground behaviour. To suggest that the BNP aren’t democratic when they haven’t yet even been given a chance is utterly disgraceful; especially since you’re supporting a party that has sold off British sovereignty UNDEMOCRATICALLY.

There’s simply no debating with anti-BNPers, their logic is skewed.

John.

Ralph, you said:

“The idea that we are in an anarchic situation is utter nonesense. But as always we are a country that has and is in a bad way.”

If it’s utter nonsense, where’s the “world Government”? Think before you speak. Being in an “anarchical international system” means that there is no *world Government*. So, what you wrote, is in fact, utter nonsense.

Further to this, you are not the only one with service in the Armed Forces. Therefore, I expect you to be fully aware that a *huge* proportion of the Army are in favour of the BNP; and seeing as though I’ve was in recently, I have insight into this.

As for the BNP & UKIP in the EU, they are trying to force the devolution of the EU. Are you ignorant to this, or were you trying to be misleading?

Your propaganda against the BNP is akin to school girl playground behaviour. To suggest that the BNP aren’t democratic when they haven’t yet even been given a chance is utterly disgraceful; especially since you’re supporting a party that has sold off British sovereignty UNDEMOCRATICALLY.

There’s simply no debating with anti-BNPers, their logic is skewed.

John.

John,

1. Nobody has destroyed the UK we are all still here, get a grip you drama queen.

2. In terms of the anarchic situation I accept your correction on your definition.

3. However in the contect of your argument based upon the assumption that a collective group of Nations crumble when one does is just a fiction. Previous collective countries whether it be the Roman Empire, the USA have not collapsed when individual States or Countries have suffered widespread economic/social or wartime disaster.

For labour to not be democratic, none of the institutions within the EU would be democratic, though I do believe that democracy/accountability and transparency are desperately needed in the EU.

In my experience most of my mates in the Army/RAF are not at all interested in politics at all, and if anything think all politicians are wxxxxxs. That is up to them and I don’t discuss politics with them and respect their views, which is more than I can say for the BNP.

No BNP wanted to leave the EU not decentralise power from it. The EU promotes decentralising power for environmental reasons, the reason it was never done was that the Politicians, like so many wanted to keep the power for themselves.

No the BNP is a fascists party, go and read a history book and learn about fascism and the resultant racial “cleansing” that soon follows.

I am not and never have been “anti-BNP” so you got that wrong. The idea of spending my precious time following a bunch of thugs, most of which have dubious and criminal histories is not my idea of fun.

I have no more truck with anti-BNP protesters than I do with sados like you who don’t even understand what they are meddling with by being part of a seriously distubing group of people whose actions, threatening, intimidating and insulting are a disgusting disgrace.

As I am sure you are to.

John,

1. Nobody has destroyed the UK we are all still here, get a grip you drama queen.

2. In terms of the anarchic situation I accept your correction on your definition.

3. However in the contect of your argument based upon the assumption that a collective group of Nations crumble when one does is just a fiction. Previous collective countries whether it be the Roman Empire, the USA have not collapsed when individual States or Countries have suffered widespread economic/social or wartime disaster.

For labour to not be democratic, none of the institutions within the EU would be democratic, though I do believe that democracy/accountability and transparency are desperately needed in the EU.

In my experience most of my mates in the Army/RAF are not at all interested in politics at all, and if anything think all politicians are wxxxxxs. That is up to them and I don’t discuss politics with them and respect their views, which is more than I can say for the BNP.

No BNP wanted to leave the EU not decentralise power from it. The EU promotes decentralising power for environmental reasons, the reason it was never done was that the Politicians, like so many wanted to keep the power for themselves.

No the BNP is a fascists party, go and read a history book and learn about fascism and the resultant racial “cleansing” that soon follows.

I am not and never have been “anti-BNP” so you got that wrong. The idea of spending my precious time following a bunch of thugs, most of which have dubious and criminal histories is not my idea of fun.

I have no more truck with anti-BNP protesters than I do with sados like you who don’t even understand what they are meddling with by being part of a seriously distubing group of people whose actions, threatening, intimidating and insulting are a disgusting disgrace.

As I am sure you are to.

YOUR OPINIONS ARE SO UTTERLY STUPID RALPH, NOT ANACHICAL HOW MANY BRITISH SOLDIERS ARE IN WHEELCHAIRS OR COFFINS DUE TO GOVERNMENT INCOMPETENCE? Stop the fantasy Britain is not on the verge of fascist/communist tyranny. We are suffering due to high national debt, unemployment, and a gun and knife crime wave. I’m sure liberals live predominantly in some suburban, middle class , daddy will pay area. Get real most people are in personal debt scared of losing their jobs and have genuine grievences regarding ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. Stop whining and get off the liberal cock tail circuit your so boring and out of touch. I can not wait to see Peter Hain and the pollitally correct lynch mob put out of work. No more tax payer funded TV’s. YOUR EITHER ON THE RIGHT OR YOUR WRONG!

John Tate,

Shouting already are we?

Look fella, whichever name your using or whatever. You are never going to agree with me because I am a “NeoLabouite” or whatever you call it, and I am never going to agree with you because you are a Facelift of an organisation that just wants to over generalise, blame other people and kill them, men women and children.

I can understand you anger, bloody hell I am furious myself with what is going on. But picking on and bullying people who are different, doesn’t give me my jollies.

So look, you guys do what you need to and try and get elected, and I’ll try and do what I have to do to get my people elected.

We agree to disagree.

John Tate,

Shouting already are we?

Look fella, whichever name your using or whatever. You are never going to agree with me because I am a “NeoLabouite” or whatever you call it, and I am never going to agree with you because you are a Facelift of an organisation that just wants to over generalise, blame other people and kill them, men women and children.

I can understand you anger, bloody hell I am furious myself with what is going on. But picking on and bullying people who are different, doesn’t give me my jollies.

So look, you guys do what you need to and try and get elected, and I’ll try and do what I have to do to get my people elected.

We agree to disagree.

John,

Whatever problems you think have been caused by Labour, regarding unemployment, and national debt (caused by the recession) – they’re surely not going to be righted with the BNP’s protectionist policies.

Nationalism is abhorrent anyway, without the perverse racism angle which the BNP perpetuate.

The whole BNP chutzpah is about the belief that “indigenous Britons” is somehow owed by the government. That they deserve privileges because of something their grandfather’s did, regardless that they have done nothing but leech of the system.

They’re backed by a desperate white underclass, who even with free healthcare and education, have failed to escape their father’s failings.

They externalise the blame, instead of looking at themselves, they insist that it’s down to the fault of immigrants, who have outcompeted and worked harder than them. They look at those second generation immigrants in those “suburban, middle class, daddy will pay areas” and fill with an inadequate anger instead of aspiration.

John, you will be voting BNP.

John,

Whatever problems you think have been caused by Labour, regarding unemployment, and national debt (caused by the recession) – they’re surely not going to be righted with the BNP’s protectionist policies.

Nationalism is abhorrent anyway, without the perverse racism angle which the BNP perpetuate.

The whole BNP chutzpah is about the belief that “indigenous Britons” is somehow owed by the government. That they deserve privileges because of something their grandfather’s did, regardless that they have done nothing but leech of the system.

They’re backed by a desperate white underclass, who even with free healthcare and education, have failed to escape their father’s failings.

They externalise the blame, instead of looking at themselves, they insist that it’s down to the fault of immigrants, who have outcompeted and worked harder than them. They look at those second generation immigrants in those “suburban, middle class, daddy will pay areas” and fill with an inadequate anger instead of aspiration.

John, you will be voting BNP.

Ralph, your depictions of me are utterly fallacious; gross generalisations seem to be a common trend in your debating.

You appear to enact in hypocrisy to fullest – “the BNP are murderous thugs” followed by “I’m not anti-BNP”. So, are you saying you’re not “anti-thug”? Because I am.

And Ralph, one more time… I AM NOT JOHN TATE.

It’s clear you will stoop to any level to discredit anyone aligned with the BNP, therefore it’s best I end my participation here; I simply will not enact in a name-calling argument.

Best,

John.

Ralph, your depictions of me are utterly fallacious; gross generalisations seem to be a common trend in your debating.

You appear to enact in hypocrisy to fullest – “the BNP are murderous thugs” followed by “I’m not anti-BNP”. So, are you saying you’re not “anti-thug”? Because I am.

And Ralph, one more time… I AM NOT JOHN TATE.

It’s clear you will stoop to any level to discredit anyone aligned with the BNP, therefore it’s best I end my participation here; I simply will not enact in a name-calling argument.

Best,

John.

Anyone get the feeling a lot of these BNP people are the same joker.

Anyone get the feeling a lot of these BNP people are the same joker.

John,

If I “stooped to any level” in dealing with the BNP you would have seen a complete assault which would have been researched and prepared well in advance. As it is I leave that for solely democratic and legitimate opponents.

Your Parties feeble attempt to appear legitimate is humorous and amusing, but I am afraid that even with your best efforts, you cannot polish a turd.

Communists and facists have only brought muder, destruction and misery into this world so that a few cowardly sados could exact some kind of blame at minority and usually helpless groups.

There is no way on this earth that the majority of the people will open the doors again to the madness of such self-destructive groups once more.

Yes, the country has serious problems but the BNP will never be a solution.

My advice is that you go UKIP instead.

John,

If I “stooped to any level” in dealing with the BNP you would have seen a complete assault which would have been researched and prepared well in advance. As it is I leave that for solely democratic and legitimate opponents.

Your Parties feeble attempt to appear legitimate is humorous and amusing, but I am afraid that even with your best efforts, you cannot polish a turd.

Communists and facists have only brought muder, destruction and misery into this world so that a few cowardly sados could exact some kind of blame at minority and usually helpless groups.

There is no way on this earth that the majority of the people will open the doors again to the madness of such self-destructive groups once more.

Yes, the country has serious problems but the BNP will never be a solution.

My advice is that you go UKIP instead.

Sid,

I cannot account for anyone else, but I am myself here. If you like, get admin to check IP addresses and then you’ll see that I’m legitimate.

Ralph,

I accept your views on the BNP, that’s fine, they’re your views and you’re entitled to them. I am of the belief that as it stands, the BNP are more democratic than New Labour; after all, was brown elected in? Nope.

However, I’m aware that there are some diehard Neolabourites out there, so there’s no point in deliberating with them on political issues.

As I have said, I will be voting BNP.

John.

Sid,

I cannot account for anyone else, but I am myself here. If you like, get admin to check IP addresses and then you’ll see that I’m legitimate.

Ralph,

I accept your views on the BNP, that’s fine, they’re your views and you’re entitled to them. I am of the belief that as it stands, the BNP are more democratic than New Labour; after all, was brown elected in? Nope.

However, I’m aware that there are some diehard Neolabourites out there, so there’s no point in deliberating with them on political issues.

As I have said, I will be voting BNP.

John.

John,

I guess there are some die hard neo’s on your side of the fence too.

On your vote; fair enough.

John,

I guess there are some die hard neo’s on your side of the fence too.

On your vote; fair enough.

john,so you want to vote bnp do you,well be prepared for the true evil they bring,I myself have been a victim of their intimidation and bullying and lying tactics,and I am white british,it has been proven in the last four years ,that they have done nothing,they are no different to the old national front,it would not be far fetched to say, that they would divide and destroy communities,and create hatred everywhere,if thats what you want,then shame on you

john,so you want to vote bnp do you,well be prepared for the true evil they bring,I myself have been a victim of their intimidation and bullying and lying tactics,and I am white british,it has been proven in the last four years ,that they have done nothing,they are no different to the old national front,it would not be far fetched to say, that they would divide and destroy communities,and create hatred everywhere,if thats what you want,then shame on you

Im not a BNP supporter, and im also racially mixed, so… but when you consider that places such as high wycombe have more blacks/asians then whites, its no wonder british people are turning to the BNP. Ive come here and respected the british way of life, and i believe that most of the ppl voting BNP do so not because theyre racist but because they dont want to become a minority in their own country. it always amazes me when white british people against the bnp dont care about immigration. look at the council statistics around london/birmingham/manchester… whites are becoming a minority.

Im not a BNP supporter, and im also racially mixed, so… but when you consider that places such as high wycombe have more blacks/asians then whites, its no wonder british people are turning to the BNP. Ive come here and respected the british way of life, and i believe that most of the ppl voting BNP do so not because theyre racist but because they dont want to become a minority in their own country. it always amazes me when white british people against the bnp dont care about immigration. look at the council statistics around london/birmingham/manchester… whites are becoming a minority.

John, Nov. 23rd. Your point with regard to the BNP being democratic, I think not. Who decides their manifesto? You would have no say in it at all. As for not electing Gordon Brown as Prime Minister, well that shows your ignorance, because the general populace has never, ever, elected a Prime Minister. We, the people vote for a Party and the Party select the Leader, who would then become the Prime Minister, if they had a majority.
When Tony Blair stood down, the rules were followed, and the Deputy Leader, then became the Leader, and in this case, the Prime Minister, nothing wrong there then, eh?
Hope this has explained things to you.

John, Nov. 23rd. Your point with regard to the BNP being democratic, I think not. Who decides their manifesto? You would have no say in it at all. As for not electing Gordon Brown as Prime Minister, well that shows your ignorance, because the general populace has never, ever, elected a Prime Minister. We, the people vote for a Party and the Party select the Leader, who would then become the Prime Minister, if they had a majority.
When Tony Blair stood down, the rules were followed, and the Deputy Leader, then became the Leader, and in this case, the Prime Minister, nothing wrong there then, eh?
Hope this has explained things to you.

Dylan, that doesnt change the fact that he’s unelected. Remember that the people vote labour knowing tony blair was the leader, they didnt vote thinking gordon brown would lead. so, i think that shows ur ignorance. your patronizing way to a guy here whos shown no hostility is pathetic. with any luck, even ukip will kick the liars labour out of the equation. they lied about the referendum promise, remember? quite authoritarian. that, you cannot refute.

Dylan, that doesnt change the fact that he’s unelected. Remember that the people vote labour knowing tony blair was the leader, they didnt vote thinking gordon brown would lead. so, i think that shows ur ignorance. your patronizing way to a guy here whos shown no hostility is pathetic. with any luck, even ukip will kick the liars labour out of the equation. they lied about the referendum promise, remember? quite authoritarian. that, you cannot refute.

Altair, the fact that Gordon Brown was not elected by the people, is totally irrelevent. When Tony Blair became Leader, selected by the Party, Gordon Brown was selected Deputy Leader, therefore, as I said before, if the Leader then goes the Deputy takes over. The people have no say in that. Never have. Where my ignorance comes into the equation, I fail to comprehend. As for “patronising”, and pathetic, well, I shall not respond to that, for if you think that is the case, then let it stand. As for the referendum promise, you are right, no denying, and there should be one to be fair, but I

Altair, the fact that Gordon Brown was not elected by the people, is totally irrelevent. When Tony Blair became Leader, selected by the Party, Gordon Brown was selected Deputy Leader, therefore, as I said before, if the Leader then goes the Deputy takes over. The people have no say in that. Never have. Where my ignorance comes into the equation, I fail to comprehend. As for “patronising”, and pathetic, well, I shall not respond to that, for if you think that is the case, then let it stand. As for the referendum promise, you are right, no denying, and there should be one to be fair, but I