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First of all, as TUSC candidate David Henry has pointed out, the German company is the host, not the owner of the site. Second, being anti-EU is not the same as being anti-European, or xenophobic little-Englanders. Ours is an internationalism of the working class, not of big business like the EU. I suppose if you are going to cling to the bloated warmongering, privatising corpse of New Labour you feel the need to smear and carp at those trying to build a genuine pro-worker alternative.

First of all, as TUSC candidate David Henry has pointed out, the German company is the host, not the owner of the site. Second, being anti-EU is not the same as being anti-European, or xenophobic little-Englanders. Ours is an internationalism of the working class, not of big business like the EU. I suppose if you are going to cling to the bloated warmongering, privatising corpse of New Labour you feel the need to smear and carp at those trying to build a genuine pro-worker alternative.

What’s German for “too much time on your hands”?

What’s German for “too much time on your hands”?

My belief is that its not Europe as a whole No2eU or TUSC stood and stand against, but the small print within the Lisbon Treaty which allows for business to demand the publicly owned areas of services such as health and education, using 2 areas as an example, be privatised and brought into areas that will not cater for free anything, that health and education will be ministered as any private business and people will either pay directly or government pay for these services for the people. Either way, profit for profits sake will diminish the service because always business will look to greater and greater payments for the investors. At the same time cuts will be imposed for the same reasons I have mentioned. This again could and in many cases will lead to a worsening service. So now that you are warned of the dangers you now might now change your written content to these glaring possible facts.

My belief is that its not Europe as a whole No2eU or TUSC stood and stand against, but the small print within the Lisbon Treaty which allows for business to demand the publicly owned areas of services such as health and education, using 2 areas as an example, be privatised and brought into areas that will not cater for free anything, that health and education will be ministered as any private business and people will either pay directly or government pay for these services for the people. Either way, profit for profits sake will diminish the service because always business will look to greater and greater payments for the investors. At the same time cuts will be imposed for the same reasons I have mentioned. This again could and in many cases will lead to a worsening service. So now that you are warned of the dangers you now might now change your written content to these glaring possible facts.

As a magazine you were once seen as a respected supporter of the working classes. I assume you must feel that the areas of progressive policy does not include the improvements of this class. Unless you assume the property owning section of the people are rightly called Middle Class…of course if public housing is not the fashion within progressive thought then I assume the natural course is to own your own home. I note the differing attitudes to housing else where. Germany is more inclined to rented housing and America to private. Its enlightening to hear from economists in America that housing and the absence of accrued assetts is one of the reasons which hamper the recovery. People can’t sell to move to areas where work is available. Just one more area where capitalists are failing. And if the elements that run the esteemed businesses or ex businesses such as Lehman Brothers continue to be the norm, it would be best to stock up on the basics before the next recession. What will the so called middle classes make of that then.

As a magazine you were once seen as a respected supporter of the working classes. I assume you must feel that the areas of progressive policy does not include the improvements of this class. Unless you assume the property owning section of the people are rightly called Middle Class…of course if public housing is not the fashion within progressive thought then I assume the natural course is to own your own home. I note the differing attitudes to housing else where. Germany is more inclined to rented housing and America to private. Its enlightening to hear from economists in America that housing and the absence of accrued assetts is one of the reasons which hamper the recovery. People can’t sell to move to areas where work is available. Just one more area where capitalists are failing. And if the elements that run the esteemed businesses or ex businesses such as Lehman Brothers continue to be the norm, it would be best to stock up on the basics before the next recession. What will the so called middle classes make of that then.

Straw man. You’re shooting down allegations we never even made.

I didn’t say the German company owns the site. That’s why I said it was “registered via a German company” – which it is. Nor did I say anywhere that TUSC is anti-European or made up of xenophobic little-Englanders. I said it was anti-EU – which it is.

Must try harder.

Straw man. You’re shooting down allegations we never even made.

I didn’t say the German company owns the site. That’s why I said it was “registered via a German company” – which it is. Nor did I say anywhere that TUSC is anti-European or made up of xenophobic little-Englanders. I said it was anti-EU – which it is.

Must try harder.

Let’s clear up a few things the author of this blog post has clearly failed to properly research. I first registered tusc.org.uk along with tusc.org on 18th Jan 2010 with the Uxbridge based 123-reg. The .org domain is still hosted with them and redirects to tusc.org.uk which is managed by T.U.S.C’s web-master (who decided independtly which webhost to place the site content with). You can verify all this via Nominet UK) and I will be happy to send you a copy of the invoice to prove it.

Besides, you’re putting across a really sill argument – and the funny thing is, as a T.U.S.C candidate (I didn’t plan on it back in January) I had nothing to do with NO2EU and actually supported the Greens at the European elections.

I hope this sets the record straight in relation to this ridiculously inaccurate and poorly researched article.

Let’s clear up a few things the author of this blog post has clearly failed to properly research. I first registered tusc.org.uk along with tusc.org on 18th Jan 2010 with the Uxbridge based 123-reg. The .org domain is still hosted with them and redirects to tusc.org.uk which is managed by T.U.S.C’s web-master (who decided independtly which webhost to place the site content with). You can verify all this via Nominet UK) and I will be happy to send you a copy of the invoice to prove it.

Besides, you’re putting across a really sill argument – and the funny thing is, as a T.U.S.C candidate (I didn’t plan on it back in January) I had nothing to do with NO2EU and actually supported the Greens at the European elections.

I hope this sets the record straight in relation to this ridiculously inaccurate and poorly researched article.

From Nominet UK:

Registrar:
1 & 1 Internet AG [Tag = SCHLUND]
URL: http://registrar.1und1.info

I rest my case.

From Nominet UK:

Registrar:
1 & 1 Internet AG [Tag = SCHLUND]
URL: http://registrar.1und1.info

I rest my case.

…but you have no case and you are making a fool of yourself dear Oli but trying to pick holes for whatever political bias you have. You also omitted the rest of the record from Nic.uk

The original Registrar was:

Webfusion Ltd t/a 123-Reg.co.uk [Tag = 123-REG]
URL: http://www.123-reg.co.uk

The rest of the record (which you sneakily decided not to post!) shows it was transferred, here it is:

Relevant dates:
Registered on: 18-Jan-2010
Renewal date: 18-Jan-2012
Last updated: 10-Feb-2010

Registration status:
Registered until renewal date.

Name servers:
ns67.1and1.co.uk
ns68.1and1.co.uk

Can check the registration history – see the date the record was updated, 10th Feb is when it was transferred to the web-designer… oh and their hosting company is German oh my goodness! T.U.S.C hasn’t got any policies on Germany! Why would it be a problem for the web-designer to purchase something from another country? I have some Oranges in my Kitchen which have a “Produce of Spain” sticker on oh my goodness! Let’s tell the Tribune Magazine to investigate!

In terms of Europe and the EU, I think it’s a good thing in general – however the way in which the Lisbon treaty was pushed through without proper debate or discussion, let alone a referendum is clearly a valid concern for anyone with democratic principles.

Perhaps you would consider blogging on that, since it interests you so much…?

…but you have no case and you are making a fool of yourself dear Oli but trying to pick holes for whatever political bias you have. You also omitted the rest of the record from Nic.uk

The original Registrar was:

Webfusion Ltd t/a 123-Reg.co.uk [Tag = 123-REG]
URL: http://www.123-reg.co.uk

The rest of the record (which you sneakily decided not to post!) shows it was transferred, here it is:

Relevant dates:
Registered on: 18-Jan-2010
Renewal date: 18-Jan-2012
Last updated: 10-Feb-2010

Registration status:
Registered until renewal date.

Name servers:
ns67.1and1.co.uk
ns68.1and1.co.uk

Can check the registration history – see the date the record was updated, 10th Feb is when it was transferred to the web-designer… oh and their hosting company is German oh my goodness! T.U.S.C hasn’t got any policies on Germany! Why would it be a problem for the web-designer to purchase something from another country? I have some Oranges in my Kitchen which have a “Produce of Spain” sticker on oh my goodness! Let’s tell the Tribune Magazine to investigate!

In terms of Europe and the EU, I think it’s a good thing in general – however the way in which the Lisbon treaty was pushed through without proper debate or discussion, let alone a referendum is clearly a valid concern for anyone with democratic principles.

Perhaps you would consider blogging on that, since it interests you so much…?

Dear David,

Nice try at using the chewbacca defence there. I’m really not interested in when you updated your hosts, in fact, I never even mentioned your hosts.

That has no import on this story. Which, by the way – and I thought this was pretty obvious – was just supposed to be a bit of fun.

Dear David,

Nice try at using the chewbacca defence there. I’m really not interested in when you updated your hosts, in fact, I never even mentioned your hosts.

That has no import on this story. Which, by the way – and I thought this was pretty obvious – was just supposed to be a bit of fun.

Well that’s a crap piece isn’t it.

Do you suppose the left*, in the UK and across Europe, is critical of the EU for the same reasons as the euro-sceptic right? Because that is what this article suggests.

Nothing at all to do with the neo-liberal big business agenda that is hammering the working class from Athens to Atherton? Laval, Lindsay, Waterford… nah. It must be cos those pesky internationalists wants British Jobs For British Workers.**

F*ck me, how worthless the LP is these days.

I wait some psuedo-intellectual posturing/accusations of Stalinism/reams of abstract figures about how Labour has helped working people, which will all boil down to one thing: we’re better than the Tories. Reckon that is loads of consolation to the 1 million unemployed youth or to the Iraqi people living in a land asset-stripped and looted in most brutal fashion.

There isn’t a fag paper between the lot of you. The vacuum left by the LP, a vacuum largely filled with the scapegoating of immigrants, the BNP electorally and increasingly the EDL as a youth movement, is a vacuum caused by a complete lack of working class political representation. Here we have a coalition trying to create a political alternative, but you lot feel free to keep on idolising the likes of Bevan and Keynes whilst pursuing the economic agenda of Hayek and Friedman and bitching about anybody else principled enough not to sell their souls to the myth of third way social-democracy. If it looks like a Tory, smells like a Tory and lies like a Tory then it is probably a Tory.

*you may it call it the far left, although after a quick perusal of the TUSC manifesto you will inevitably discover it isn’t, in fact, as radical as many previous Labour manifestos. You know, back before they purged ideology from their ranks. Think Bevan. Oh.

**no, that was your lot wasn’t it.

Well that’s a crap piece isn’t it.

Do you suppose the left*, in the UK and across Europe, is critical of the EU for the same reasons as the euro-sceptic right? Because that is what this article suggests.

Nothing at all to do with the neo-liberal big business agenda that is hammering the working class from Athens to Atherton? Laval, Lindsay, Waterford… nah. It must be cos those pesky internationalists wants British Jobs For British Workers.**

F*ck me, how worthless the LP is these days.

I wait some psuedo-intellectual posturing/accusations of Stalinism/reams of abstract figures about how Labour has helped working people, which will all boil down to one thing: we’re better than the Tories. Reckon that is loads of consolation to the 1 million unemployed youth or to the Iraqi people living in a land asset-stripped and looted in most brutal fashion.

There isn’t a fag paper between the lot of you. The vacuum left by the LP, a vacuum largely filled with the scapegoating of immigrants, the BNP electorally and increasingly the EDL as a youth movement, is a vacuum caused by a complete lack of working class political representation. Here we have a coalition trying to create a political alternative, but you lot feel free to keep on idolising the likes of Bevan and Keynes whilst pursuing the economic agenda of Hayek and Friedman and bitching about anybody else principled enough not to sell their souls to the myth of third way social-democracy. If it looks like a Tory, smells like a Tory and lies like a Tory then it is probably a Tory.

*you may it call it the far left, although after a quick perusal of the TUSC manifesto you will inevitably discover it isn’t, in fact, as radical as many previous Labour manifestos. You know, back before they purged ideology from their ranks. Think Bevan. Oh.

**no, that was your lot wasn’t it.