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and a new war will start…

and a new war will start…

Just like 1991….You can’t can’t keep people in a country they don’t want to be in.Croats, Slovenes, Macedonia, Albanians in Kosovo.Serbs though must stay!!!

Oh please Nik, bad logic.

You can not compare Croatia, Slovenia, Macedonia, or even Kosovo to the genocidal Republica Srpska. All of them, including Kosovo were proper states that came out of proper federal status in the former Yugoslavia, while Republika Srpska is not a state and comes out of the process of ethnic cleansing and mass murder. That is the foundation of Republika Srpska. It sounds unpleasant to put it so bluntly, but it is founded on mass murder. The Republika Srpska exists on the map because armies conquered territories and drove people out at gunpoint and knifepoint and killed many of them. RS will never become independent, wishful thinking.

The only thing that would happen if RS tries to declare independence is a repeat of 1995 and that is Operation Storm Part II! And are the Serbs ready to give up Sandzak?????? Don’t forget who is the Majority there and how they voted in 1991.

Oh please Nik, bad logic.

You can not compare Croatia, Slovenia, Macedonia, or even Kosovo to the genocidal Republica Srpska. All of them, including Kosovo were proper states that came out of proper federal status in the former Yugoslavia, while Republika Srpska is not a state and comes out of the process of ethnic cleansing and mass murder. That is the foundation of Republika Srpska. It sounds unpleasant to put it so bluntly, but it is founded on mass murder. The Republika Srpska exists on the map because armies conquered territories and drove people out at gunpoint and knifepoint and killed many of them. RS will never become independent, wishful thinking.

The only thing that would happen if RS tries to declare independence is a repeat of 1995 and that is Operation Storm Part II! And are the Serbs ready to give up Sandzak?????? Don’t forget who is the Majority there and how they voted in 1991.

I concur with Al, though I do think that RS will eventually declare independence in an attempt to join Serbia. Not sure if they will be successful, but they will certainly have the backing of Russia and China. Serbia might use RS’s declaration of independence it as a bargaining chip with the West re. Serbian recognition of Kosova.

I concur with Al, though I do think that RS will eventually declare independence in an attempt to join Serbia. Not sure if they will be successful, but they will certainly have the backing of Russia and China. Serbia might use RS’s declaration of independence it as a bargaining chip with the West re. Serbian recognition of Kosova.

Interesting point, Al. But I must ask, how do you think most of those neatly labeled inter-state borders on your atlas at home came about in the first place? I can assure you, it wasn’t through peaceful negotiation and compromise, but violence and bloodshed. One doesn’t need to go any further than the United States, who claimed some sort of divine “Manifest Destiny”, as they expanded from their original 13 states westward to the Pacific Ocean, at the terrible expense of Native American populations. So please, don’t make it sound like Bosnian Serbs invented “ethnic cleansing”. Operation Storm was a perfectly executed plan of ethnically cleansing of Serb communities, yet you refer to it as some sort of righteous retribution! Your logic, sir, lacks moral fidelity.

But beyond this tit-for-tat score keeping of who did what to whom, how about we focus on solving this frozen conflict. Pick a principle, either you are for self-determination or you are against it. If you are against it, which would ensure stability in our global nation-state system, then Kosovo should remain a part of Serbia and the territorial integrity of Bosnia cannot be compromised. If you are for it, you would be recognizing that peoples should not be forced into nation-states that they do not want to be a part of. Hence, Kosovo should secede from Serbia (as well as Northern Kosovo from it), RS from Bosnia, Turkish occupied Cyprus from Greek Cyprus, Basque region from Spain, Nagorno-Karbakh from Azerbaijan, South Ossetia from Georgia, etc, etc, etc. At the very least, the international should be consistent in their principles, and not cherry-pick which situations they wish to grant the exceptional right of self-determination.

Interesting point, Al. But I must ask, how do you think most of those neatly labeled inter-state borders on your atlas at home came about in the first place? I can assure you, it wasn’t through peaceful negotiation and compromise, but violence and bloodshed. One doesn’t need to go any further than the United States, who claimed some sort of divine “Manifest Destiny”, as they expanded from their original 13 states westward to the Pacific Ocean, at the terrible expense of Native American populations. So please, don’t make it sound like Bosnian Serbs invented “ethnic cleansing”. Operation Storm was a perfectly executed plan of ethnically cleansing of Serb communities, yet you refer to it as some sort of righteous retribution! Your logic, sir, lacks moral fidelity.

But beyond this tit-for-tat score keeping of who did what to whom, how about we focus on solving this frozen conflict. Pick a principle, either you are for self-determination or you are against it. If you are against it, which would ensure stability in our global nation-state system, then Kosovo should remain a part of Serbia and the territorial integrity of Bosnia cannot be compromised. If you are for it, you would be recognizing that peoples should not be forced into nation-states that they do not want to be a part of. Hence, Kosovo should secede from Serbia (as well as Northern Kosovo from it), RS from Bosnia, Turkish occupied Cyprus from Greek Cyprus, Basque region from Spain, Nagorno-Karbakh from Azerbaijan, South Ossetia from Georgia, etc, etc, etc. At the very least, the international should be consistent in their principles, and not cherry-pick which situations they wish to grant the exceptional right of self-determination.

let us say we are for self-determination and Bosnian Serbs should be allowed to leave, but how do you suggest solving the problem of non-Serbs (around 50% of the pre-war population in what is today Bosnia’s Serb dominated part) who are not for the split and who either returned there or have property there (quite a lot of it)? To give them right to self-determination too?

let us say we are for self-determination and Bosnian Serbs should be allowed to leave, but how do you suggest solving the problem of non-Serbs (around 50% of the pre-war population in what is today Bosnia’s Serb dominated part) who are not for the split and who either returned there or have property there (quite a lot of it)? To give them right to self-determination too?

Mark,

Are you really trying to make a parallel between the United States and the genocidal Serbs and Serbia? Everyone knows USA is number 1! But let me examine your moral compass here, according to your logic Americans committed genocide on the Native Americans, therefore the Serbs should be allowed to commit genocide too. Good argument. Serbs did not invent ethnic cleansing, but they sure perfected it in the 1990’s.

People and Countries that commit genocide must be punished and not rewarded, just like Germany was after WWII. After WWII Germany was forced to: 1. admit guilt for starting the war; 2. pay $30 million in damages to the Allies for their costs in the war; 3. German army & navy were reduced in size and its air force was disbanded; 4. German colonies in Africa and Asia were taken; and 5. Germany had to return land that was taken on the Franco-Prussian War back to France and lose land to Poland.

Serbia was not punished for its actions in the 1990’s and therefore will still have problems on the Balkans. Serbia should be forced to admit guilt for all the wars of the 1990’s, they should be forced to pay damages to Croatia, Bosnia, and Kosovo, their military should be disbanded, they should be forced to give up Vojvodina, Sandzak, and Presevo Valley and finally the genocidal RS should be abolished and that land with Sandzak should be give to Bosnia, just like when the Germans were forced to give Poland all the German territories in Pomerania, Silesia and Brandenburg east of the Oder-Neisse Line, plus the southern half of East Prussia. This would fix that frozen conflict in the region, and it would ensure lasting peace.

Operation storm was not etnic cleansing, it was liberation of ones home land. I make reference to it because the Serbs are stupid and they never learn. That will happen in Bosnia if they try to decleare independe, it is a fact. You need to look at your Atlas and see that RS borders Croatia, and you can throw rocks at Zagreb from Banja Luka, besides the fact that the Bosniaks will not allow RS to leave Bosnia, you think Croatia, a NATO member would allow that. So I say please do decleare independce and you will share the faith of the stupid serbs in Crotia. You could not take away a piece of Bosnia, when you had the third strongest military in Europe, you really think that you can do it today…… FYI is the Serbia treated the Albanians as equals they would have not lost Kosovo, even their number one ally Montenegro left them, they are still treating the Bosniaks in Sandzak like second rate citizens and if they continue to do so, they will lose Sandzak too, come one stop pointing fingers at the world. The Serbs are not the victims here; they are the aggressors that keep losing in the End. God Bless the United States of America! USA all the way!

Mark,

Are you really trying to make a parallel between the United States and the genocidal Serbs and Serbia? Everyone knows USA is number 1! But let me examine your moral compass here, according to your logic Americans committed genocide on the Native Americans, therefore the Serbs should be allowed to commit genocide too. Good argument. Serbs did not invent ethnic cleansing, but they sure perfected it in the 1990’s.

People and Countries that commit genocide must be punished and not rewarded, just like Germany was after WWII. After WWII Germany was forced to: 1. admit guilt for starting the war; 2. pay $30 million in damages to the Allies for their costs in the war; 3. German army & navy were reduced in size and its air force was disbanded; 4. German colonies in Africa and Asia were taken; and 5. Germany had to return land that was taken on the Franco-Prussian War back to France and lose land to Poland.

Serbia was not punished for its actions in the 1990’s and therefore will still have problems on the Balkans. Serbia should be forced to admit guilt for all the wars of the 1990’s, they should be forced to pay damages to Croatia, Bosnia, and Kosovo, their military should be disbanded, they should be forced to give up Vojvodina, Sandzak, and Presevo Valley and finally the genocidal RS should be abolished and that land with Sandzak should be give to Bosnia, just like when the Germans were forced to give Poland all the German territories in Pomerania, Silesia and Brandenburg east of the Oder-Neisse Line, plus the southern half of East Prussia. This would fix that frozen conflict in the region, and it would ensure lasting peace.

Operation storm was not etnic cleansing, it was liberation of ones home land. I make reference to it because the Serbs are stupid and they never learn. That will happen in Bosnia if they try to decleare independe, it is a fact. You need to look at your Atlas and see that RS borders Croatia, and you can throw rocks at Zagreb from Banja Luka, besides the fact that the Bosniaks will not allow RS to leave Bosnia, you think Croatia, a NATO member would allow that. So I say please do decleare independce and you will share the faith of the stupid serbs in Crotia. You could not take away a piece of Bosnia, when you had the third strongest military in Europe, you really think that you can do it today…… FYI is the Serbia treated the Albanians as equals they would have not lost Kosovo, even their number one ally Montenegro left them, they are still treating the Bosniaks in Sandzak like second rate citizens and if they continue to do so, they will lose Sandzak too, come one stop pointing fingers at the world. The Serbs are not the victims here; they are the aggressors that keep losing in the End. God Bless the United States of America! USA all the way!

Republika Srpska will never break away from Bosnia, the world knowns the that de facto goverment was established through genocide, so when they try to break away the will bombed day and night

Republika Srpska will never break away from Bosnia, the world knowns the that de facto goverment was established through genocide, so when they try to break away the will bombed day and night

A lot of ignorance stems from comments posted here… People don’t seem to understand how many refugees from all sides of the Yugoslav wars are now in Serbia. Was the Republika Srpska carved through ethnic cleansing? Alright, but what about the Muslim-Croat Federation? A lot of areas became more homogeneous than others. There aren’t that many Serbs in Sarajevo or Mostar for instance. Nor were they ever welcome since the end of the war. The Muslims and Croats need to move on, separated from the Serbs.

A lot of ignorance stems from comments posted here… People don’t seem to understand how many refugees from all sides of the Yugoslav wars are now in Serbia. Was the Republika Srpska carved through ethnic cleansing? Alright, but what about the Muslim-Croat Federation? A lot of areas became more homogeneous than others. There aren’t that many Serbs in Sarajevo or Mostar for instance. Nor were they ever welcome since the end of the war. The Muslims and Croats need to move on, separated from the Serbs.

Wow, Al, your counter-arguments are full of misleading statements and mean-spirited, jingoistic talk. Clearly, you have a deep-seeded hatred for the Serbs and some sort of abiding patriotic love for the United States. Here are some excerpts that show this:

“So I say please do decleare [sic] independce [sic] and you will share the faith of the stupid [S]erbs in Crotia [sic].”

“The Serbs are not the victims here; they are the aggressors that keep losing in the [e]nd. God [b]less the United States of America! USA all the way!”

Given your extreme position, I’m not sure if it is even worth having a debate with you. But, I’ll give it a shot.

First, you misunderstood the point I was trying to make concerning inter- and intra-state boundaries. You called Croatia, Slovenia, Macedonia and other states as “proper states”, whereas RS would not be considered as such. You say this because the RS was established through violence. Okay, so if we start at the basics, how does one delineate one state from another. Well, simply that is by establishing boundaries. Now very often (actually most often), these boundaries don’t come about by negotiation, but by war and capitulation by one side or the other. So would this invalidate most international borders, making most states “improper”??? You talk about Croatia, Slovenia, and Macedonia – where did their boundaries magically appear from?? These were historically established, based on population composition and territorial control, which in turn was established through warfare and migration. So can one categorically differentiate between, say, Croatia and RS? The only difference is Croatia’s “proper” state boundaries have a much longer historical evolution than RS’s boundaries. As for condoning the genocide of the Americans and Bosnian Serbs, absolutely not! I also don’t condone the genocide committed by Nazi Germans, Croats during WWII and Israelis against Palestinians. But I do recognize that the human species is particularly nasty to their own and that every nation has committed atrocities in their history.

Second, you bring up the example of Nazi Germany and the punishments levied against them for their roles in WWII. I agree with you, these were certainly justified and necessarily for the integration of a modern, peaceful Germany into the rest of Germany. But laying all of the blame for the Yugoslav civil wars on the Serbs, really!?! I don’t want to recap this conflict for you, as it sounds that you are knowledgeable about it, but I would like to briefly note that there were other groups that were pursuing territorial aggrandizement, not just the Serbs. For instance, Franjo Tudjman and his military people want to annex large portions of Bosnia and Serbia, and funded many different militia groups that were contributing to the bloodshed and even committing atrocities. Also, the Bosnian Serbs had no intention of civil war in Bosnia, although they did want to remain in what was left of Yugoslavia at the time and not secede. But, as I’m sure you are aware, the Americans got involved in the negotiations between the Bosnian Serbs and Bosniaks and helped scuttle a potential peace agreement by promising Bosnia in its entirety to the Bosniaks (this was the Cutileiro-Carrington Plan, which Alija Izetbegovi? tragically withdrew his signature from; Radovan Karadzic had agreed to this document!!). So what was the result? Over 200,000 dead and a Dayton agreement that looks very similar to this original plan! If the Americans kept their noses out of it, tens of thousands of lives could have been saved and Bosnia would have devolved into two or three states. Instead today we have a completely dysfunctional state, with one entity wanting nothing to do with the other.

Third, you talk about Sandzak and Presevo Valley and the possibility of them seceding. Well, if you are in favor of the principle of self-determination, then yes, they, along with Kosovo, northern Kosovo, RS, Basque region, etc., all have the right to secede. These regions would need to politically get organized, hold a referendum, and declare independence. My point is that the international community should not act as hypocrites. Pick a principle and stick with it. Either you are for self-determination or you’re not. But it seems to me that they want to make an exception out of Kosovo, when there is nothing exceptional about this small, land-locked piece of land that is only noteworthy for its Serbian Eastern Orthodox Christian churches. Anyone that knows anything about world history knows that inter-ethnic conflict, even ones on the scale of the Kosovo conflict, are a common theme in both ancient and modern times. So if you give the Kosovar Albanians the right of self-determination, then there are many other groups (too many to list) that also deserve this right.

Fourth, you talk about abolishing RS as a way of solving this frozen conflict. How in the world is that going to help. That will just further aggrieve the Bosnian Serbs. If this is your solution for Bosnia, how do you propose to solve the Israel-Palestinian conflict? By abolishing the Israel state, which was created through war and genocide committed against the Palestinian people?? If so, that is completely idiotic. The only course is a two-state solution. The only course for Bosnia is a two-state solution.

–Mark

Wow, Al, your counter-arguments are full of misleading statements and mean-spirited, jingoistic talk. Clearly, you have a deep-seeded hatred for the Serbs and some sort of abiding patriotic love for the United States. Here are some excerpts that show this:

“So I say please do decleare [sic] independce [sic] and you will share the faith of the stupid [S]erbs in Crotia [sic].”

“The Serbs are not the victims here; they are the aggressors that keep losing in the [e]nd. God [b]less the United States of America! USA all the way!”

Given your extreme position, I’m not sure if it is even worth having a debate with you. But, I’ll give it a shot.

First, you misunderstood the point I was trying to make concerning inter- and intra-state boundaries. You called Croatia, Slovenia, Macedonia and other states as “proper states”, whereas RS would not be considered as such. You say this because the RS was established through violence. Okay, so if we start at the basics, how does one delineate one state from another. Well, simply that is by establishing boundaries. Now very often (actually most often), these boundaries don’t come about by negotiation, but by war and capitulation by one side or the other. So would this invalidate most international borders, making most states “improper”??? You talk about Croatia, Slovenia, and Macedonia – where did their boundaries magically appear from?? These were historically established, based on population composition and territorial control, which in turn was established through warfare and migration. So can one categorically differentiate between, say, Croatia and RS? The only difference is Croatia’s “proper” state boundaries have a much longer historical evolution than RS’s boundaries. As for condoning the genocide of the Americans and Bosnian Serbs, absolutely not! I also don’t condone the genocide committed by Nazi Germans, Croats during WWII and Israelis against Palestinians. But I do recognize that the human species is particularly nasty to their own and that every nation has committed atrocities in their history.

Second, you bring up the example of Nazi Germany and the punishments levied against them for their roles in WWII. I agree with you, these were certainly justified and necessarily for the integration of a modern, peaceful Germany into the rest of Germany. But laying all of the blame for the Yugoslav civil wars on the Serbs, really!?! I don’t want to recap this conflict for you, as it sounds that you are knowledgeable about it, but I would like to briefly note that there were other groups that were pursuing territorial aggrandizement, not just the Serbs. For instance, Franjo Tudjman and his military people want to annex large portions of Bosnia and Serbia, and funded many different militia groups that were contributing to the bloodshed and even committing atrocities. Also, the Bosnian Serbs had no intention of civil war in Bosnia, although they did want to remain in what was left of Yugoslavia at the time and not secede. But, as I’m sure you are aware, the Americans got involved in the negotiations between the Bosnian Serbs and Bosniaks and helped scuttle a potential peace agreement by promising Bosnia in its entirety to the Bosniaks (this was the Cutileiro-Carrington Plan, which Alija Izetbegovi? tragically withdrew his signature from; Radovan Karadzic had agreed to this document!!). So what was the result? Over 200,000 dead and a Dayton agreement that looks very similar to this original plan! If the Americans kept their noses out of it, tens of thousands of lives could have been saved and Bosnia would have devolved into two or three states. Instead today we have a completely dysfunctional state, with one entity wanting nothing to do with the other.

Third, you talk about Sandzak and Presevo Valley and the possibility of them seceding. Well, if you are in favor of the principle of self-determination, then yes, they, along with Kosovo, northern Kosovo, RS, Basque region, etc., all have the right to secede. These regions would need to politically get organized, hold a referendum, and declare independence. My point is that the international community should not act as hypocrites. Pick a principle and stick with it. Either you are for self-determination or you’re not. But it seems to me that they want to make an exception out of Kosovo, when there is nothing exceptional about this small, land-locked piece of land that is only noteworthy for its Serbian Eastern Orthodox Christian churches. Anyone that knows anything about world history knows that inter-ethnic conflict, even ones on the scale of the Kosovo conflict, are a common theme in both ancient and modern times. So if you give the Kosovar Albanians the right of self-determination, then there are many other groups (too many to list) that also deserve this right.

Fourth, you talk about abolishing RS as a way of solving this frozen conflict. How in the world is that going to help. That will just further aggrieve the Bosnian Serbs. If this is your solution for Bosnia, how do you propose to solve the Israel-Palestinian conflict? By abolishing the Israel state, which was created through war and genocide committed against the Palestinian people?? If so, that is completely idiotic. The only course is a two-state solution. The only course for Bosnia is a two-state solution.

–Mark

The solution for Bosnia was clear from the start:
– give the Croats their own entity so that each ethnic group has its won territory.
– make dissolution of Bosnia only possible when two of the three entities agree.
– give the entities strong constitutional guarantees.
– create strong institutions that fight ethnic discrimination

Unfortunately the Western powers seem unable to ignore Bosniak propaganda for a centralized state. The seem unable to understand that you can only fight discrimination once it has been disconnected from the question who controls what.

The solution for Bosnia was clear from the start:
– give the Croats their own entity so that each ethnic group has its won territory.
– make dissolution of Bosnia only possible when two of the three entities agree.
– give the entities strong constitutional guarantees.
– create strong institutions that fight ethnic discrimination

Unfortunately the Western powers seem unable to ignore Bosniak propaganda for a centralized state. The seem unable to understand that you can only fight discrimination once it has been disconnected from the question who controls what.

Yet another petty State in the Balkans. Just goes to show how unnecessary that war was. The international community should never have recgnised Boznia. but just told them to stop messing everyone about and get around a negotiating table. We’ve got Kosovo up next, and God knows what else.
Yugoslavia was a workable Federation.
So were the West Indies; now we have 101 gangster Republics.

Yet another petty State in the Balkans. Just goes to show how unnecessary that war was. The international community should never have recgnised Boznia. but just told them to stop messing everyone about and get around a negotiating table. We’ve got Kosovo up next, and God knows what else.
Yugoslavia was a workable Federation.
So were the West Indies; now we have 101 gangster Republics.

NATO is making new boundaries. Serbia cannot be part of NATO, for many reasons, main one being their “mother Russia” bond. That leaves Bosnia as a natural choice, which makes Bosnian borders inviolable.

NATO is making new boundaries. Serbia cannot be part of NATO, for many reasons, main one being their “mother Russia” bond. That leaves Bosnia as a natural choice, which makes Bosnian borders inviolable.

RS should be able to leave the so called union. First of all the union between the muslims and croats is a joke. The croats and muslims have segregated schools, each area in the union is split into cantons which cost the state large amounts of money to maintain and keep within the union. Id be ashamed to call Sarajevo my capital, Sarajevo has more mosques then in any city i have ever been to, it is basically a muslim city and should by no means be called European, if you dont belive me go travel to Sarajevo yourself. RS on the other hand is one large entity and does not have cantons. Its schools are not segregated and has large investments coming in from Serbia. such as its telecom industry which was bought out by Serbia. The BiH union has a three way rotating presidency which is seen as completely ineffective, also my last point if Bosnia, Croatia, Slovenia, Kosovo and Montenegro were allowed to split from Yugoslavia and Serbia then why is the Republika Srpska not allowed to leave the Union of Bosnia and Herzegovina.

RS should be able to leave the so called union. First of all the union between the muslims and croats is a joke. The croats and muslims have segregated schools, each area in the union is split into cantons which cost the state large amounts of money to maintain and keep within the union. Id be ashamed to call Sarajevo my capital, Sarajevo has more mosques then in any city i have ever been to, it is basically a muslim city and should by no means be called European, if you dont belive me go travel to Sarajevo yourself. RS on the other hand is one large entity and does not have cantons. Its schools are not segregated and has large investments coming in from Serbia. such as its telecom industry which was bought out by Serbia. The BiH union has a three way rotating presidency which is seen as completely ineffective, also my last point if Bosnia, Croatia, Slovenia, Kosovo and Montenegro were allowed to split from Yugoslavia and Serbia then why is the Republika Srpska not allowed to leave the Union of Bosnia and Herzegovina.

Agree with the last posts.
Nato and their courts have set the precedent for secession. Unless double standards apply, RS has the right to self determination.

Agree with the last posts.
Nato and their courts have set the precedent for secession. Unless double standards apply, RS has the right to self determination.

Hey Al, I bet you’d like to polish some handsome German’s boots!
Am I right?
Maybe dismember some Serbs too?
Cool!

Hey Al, I bet you’d like to polish some handsome German’s boots!
Am I right?
Maybe dismember some Serbs too?
Cool!

Excellent post Mark. Too bad that AI’s original argument differentiating Kosovo from RS had to come as a copy/paste from Noel Malcolm’s interview with Balkan Insight – http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/main/interviews/30063/

Additionally, good job pointing out his obvious double standards in wanting to keep Bosnia whole while punishing Serbia by carving it up even further. I had already stopped taking his comment as anything serious after the “USA is number 1″ spiel. The rest of your post I completely agree with.

Excellent post Mark. Too bad that AI’s original argument differentiating Kosovo from RS had to come as a copy/paste from Noel Malcolm’s interview with Balkan Insight – http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/main/interviews/30063/

Additionally, good job pointing out his obvious double standards in wanting to keep Bosnia whole while punishing Serbia by carving it up even further. I had already stopped taking his comment as anything serious after the “USA is number 1″ spiel. The rest of your post I completely agree with.

we are missing the point here.the west has achieved to plant two muslim states,kosovo and bosnia,into the heart of europe.and i think that the west uses double standards.you can’t recognize kosovo,an artificial country,and denying freedom to bosniak serbs,by imposing them living under muslim slavery.serbians of bosnia have the right to unite with serbia.so let’s leave serbs and croats of bosnia to get united to serbia and crooatia,and let’s serbia and croatia share the rest of bosnia.in my opinion,muslim bosniaks must not have their own state,because they will be the puppet state of turkey,iran,the persian gulf emirates and any other muslim mideast country.and nobody wants a muslim iran styled country into the balkans

we are missing the point here.the west has achieved to plant two muslim states,kosovo and bosnia,into the heart of europe.and i think that the west uses double standards.you can’t recognize kosovo,an artificial country,and denying freedom to bosniak serbs,by imposing them living under muslim slavery.serbians of bosnia have the right to unite with serbia.so let’s leave serbs and croats of bosnia to get united to serbia and crooatia,and let’s serbia and croatia share the rest of bosnia.in my opinion,muslim bosniaks must not have their own state,because they will be the puppet state of turkey,iran,the persian gulf emirates and any other muslim mideast country.and nobody wants a muslim iran styled country into the balkans

and who was it that started this whole mess in January 1992 by not only recognizing Slovenia and Croatia (and then Bosnia-Herzegovina in April 1992, quite in violation of international law (like the UN Charter), but also bludgeoning the EU (or then EC) into doing the same? Yes, quite possibly, a new war will start; and once again, the Western powers (primarily UK, US, and Germany) will be the primary instigators.
WARNING: the West’s evil deeds may yet come to light, as is now (and at last!) happening in the Federal District Court in Illinois (of all places!) in the case of US war crimes in the Krajina.

and who was it that started this whole mess in January 1992 by not only recognizing Slovenia and Croatia (and then Bosnia-Herzegovina in April 1992, quite in violation of international law (like the UN Charter), but also bludgeoning the EU (or then EC) into doing the same? Yes, quite possibly, a new war will start; and once again, the Western powers (primarily UK, US, and Germany) will be the primary instigators.
WARNING: the West’s evil deeds may yet come to light, as is now (and at last!) happening in the Federal District Court in Illinois (of all places!) in the case of US war crimes in the Krajina.