Thirty-eight Degree separation from effective engagement

Just before last year’s general election, parliamentary candidates were inundated with identical emails demanding the recipient confirm his or her position without equivocation on a vast range of issues

by Stephen Pound
Sunday, July 24th, 2011

Most of us felt this was reasonable, but wished we didn’t have to reply to each person individually as the numbers built up terrifyingly quickly until very little additional work was possible.

Since then, the curse of the automated e-mail has become ever more pervasive and destructive of time management. On any given day, there will be between three and five campaigning bodies, trade unions or special interest groups encouraging their members and supporters to e-mail their MP – and woe betide the miserable Member who fails to reply by return.

This worrying trend has reached its apotheosis – without the divinity – in an organisation called 38 Degrees. On first sight, this seems a noble set up in which civic-minded citizens unite around an issue and seek to persuade, by sheer weight of numbers, an MP to vote for or against the selected cause. They cite the recent call for the BSkyB bid to be referred and the abandoned sale of ancient woodlands as examples of their goodness of heart and campaigning success.

However, all is not as well as might seem and I suggest that democracy and citizen engagement with Parliament are actually diminished rather than enhanced by 38 Degrees.

The identikit emails are usually caught by the spam filters at Westminster and most MPs only drain the sump once a day, so there tends to be a built-in time delay in responding – which seems to annoy those who expect instant replies.

Once you have received the message, you have to resist the temptation to create an identikit response – especially if you have a long history of voting in support of particular propositions and are unlikely to be spurred to greater passion by 100 emails. I have seen offices in which an intern opens the identical emails and constructs a standard response which is then sent back to the constituents – all with the MP having neither sight nor sound of the message. The 38 Degree people then claim a huge success and the MP claims a massive level of contact with the electorate.

You might ask yourself if this actually matters and make a case for any contact between electors and elected being a step forward. I suggest that the blizzard of identical emails is not only counterproductive in that many an honest MP who opens each and every one of his or her emails gets profoundly fed-up of writing back to people who have elected to tick a box and dispatch a pre-digested message.

The other problem is that a standard email does not discriminate between MPs. In the matter of the Murdochian massacres, the key motion in the emergency debate was tabled by the Labour Party, so it seems a waste of time to write to Labour MPs asking that they vote for their own motion.

By simply ticking a box and sending an indiscriminate message, the chances of minds being changed is slight indeed and the strong probability of an ever increasing irritation being experienced by the MP tends to make the process futile and self-defeating. I consider it a bitter irony that every single message I have received in favour of the retention of post offices has been sent by email and never miss the opportunity to remind people that actions have consequences.

I write back to people who have contacted me for the first time to thank them, assure them of my attention in the future and explain where we can meet in person and briefly breathe the same air and look each other in the eye – instead of conducting a distant relationship in which cliché speaks unto cliché and nothing really changes.

I attribute no dark motives to 38 Degrees and actually agree with all their campaigns to date, but the danger of plebiscite rule is that subtleties are lost and a situation could arise as it did in the case of the Gurkha settlement rights, when it was utterly impossible for any MP of conscience to even consider voting against the extension of British residential rights to Gurkhas and their families, yet many could foresee the consequences that are now so horribly evident in depopulated valleys of Nepal and the new slums of Aldershot.

By what transparent and democratic process does 38 Degrees choose its causes? I don’t know. I welcome further civil participation, but dearly wish we could achieve it without the juvenile mechanism of the ghost-written tick-box generic email.

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About The Author

Stephen Pound is Labour MP for Ealing North
  • Anonymous

    “By what transparent and democratic process does 38 Degrees choose its causes? I don’t know.”
    You could have asked them or checked their website first before casting aspersions. There is a process and it’s clear to see if you could have been bothered to look for it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/JackJacksieRecords.aka.C.A.Jones Jack Cajones Jacksie

    This man is an idiot. Many, many people do not have the language skills to write their own email, so this type of thing is great for those people – voters – who may otherwise fell they had no voice. I think it is typical of the contempt that many MPs hold the general public in, that this fool could even write this drivel.

  • Anonymous

    I can vouch that it is a transparent and democratic process, certainly more so than our so-called elected Parliament, where one vote in an election can make the difference between getting a right wing MP (Labour) or a far-right one (Conservative). The process filters out the more bizarre issues (thank goodness) and focusses on the major ones. As a member of 38 Degrees, I have had more contact with my MP and more involvement in politics than at any other time in my life. None of this would be necessary if MPs and political parties were interested in what ordinary people thought and cared about. If only we had PR then voters might be taken seriously, but that would be too much to hope for in this country.

  • Anonymous

     I always alter mine and put my own opinion in too,I have sent 4 or 5 to my MP and have had letters back.He always sends me a copy of the letter he has sent to whoever it concerns as well as the answer he has had back,I applaud my MP,Mr Paul Goggins,he never ducks out!!

  • http://twitter.com/failedmuso Rob Puricelli

    Sites like 38 Degrees perform a vital role in re-engaging the electorate and getting them to understand that our MP’s, our servants in the corridors of power, are actually contactable. If, by annoyance, we are getting your attention, which is obvious otherwise you wouldn’t have written the above article, then I say that’s a good thing. Sure, their first email to you might be the stock template created by 38 Degrees, but the more they do it, the more they will embellish or even completely re-write that into something more personal. The more they realise that their actions are being noticed, the more they will embrace the process and seek to do more. My MP, a Tory I didn’t vote for, has had the decency to write to me twice now, based on mails I have sent via 38 Degrees. I tend to elaborate the template they provide, personalising it as I see fit, and it is obviously provoking a response. To be fair, the responses I get are maybe not what I would expect, given the political differences I have with my MP, but at least I know that he has listened/read, and that he is aware of his duty to respond to me, something his predecessor, an overweight, stereotypically Tory holder of a very safe Tory seat, never bothered to do.

    For far too long, people have felt disengaged and disenfranchised. They feel that MPs are self serving and out of reach. They have long forgotten that MPs are duty bound to listen. And MPs, for far too long, have enjoyed far too little accountability and have gotten away with enjoying the comfortable distance they have from the electorate.

    So, if you are upset by more and more people slowly realising that you are not untouchable and truly are OUR servants, then I say hurrah for 38 Degrees and hurrah for every single email you receive that reminds you that you work for us, to express our will in Government and that we WILL exercise our right to engage you by any means necessary.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Peter-Cope/591261403 Peter Cope

    Rather disappointing that, now the electorate is finding both it’s feet and it’s voice, MPs are getting a little irked. If they presented a positive image that truly reflected the wishes of the electorate then perhaps the masses would not have to rise…

  • Anonymous

     I always alter mine and put my own opinion in too,I have sent 4 or 5 to my MP and have had letters back.He always sends me a copy of the letter he has sent to whoever it concerns as well as the answer he has had back,I applaud my MP,Mr Paul Goggins,he never ducks out!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Neil-Harman/620363959 Neil Harman

    “By what transparent and democratic process does 38 Degrees choose its causes? I don’t know.”It asks its members. openly and transparently Stephen.

    Also “yet many could foresee the consequences that are now so horribly evident in depopulated valleys of Nepal and the new slums of Aldershot.”  I think your piece is well written and thought out, yet at this end of it you let yourself down.   It seems that many MP’s might have preferred to leave these loyal and patritic servants of our nation to rot in those poverty stricken valleys in Nepal.  Further, once here, I would expect this country to support them properly and not leave them in aldrershots new slums as you call them.  They fought and served for us,  we should now reciprocate this loyalty.

  • Anonymous

    So does Mr Pound also consider petitions, written once and signed by many, to also be juvenile? As I understand it the petition is, in fact, one of the oldest political tools available to democracy, and these emails constitute the same tool in an alternate form.

    The mass email system of groups like 38 Degrees bring automation to the process, yes, but I seem to remember having the ability to edit the email that is sent on my behalf via their site so that if necessary my communication with my MP is tailored and personal. If everyone took advantage of that feature then the MP in question really would have hundreds of individual messages to deal with. Would Mr Pound then be compelled to answer each message individually in such circumstances? If so he may have just made a rod for his own back – expect his constituents to subtly alter each message they send him via 38 Degrees and other such sites in the future.

    As for “plebisicte rule” the option to contact an MP individually still exists for any user of petitioning sites where they do not agree with the form or content of a mass communication with their representative. It’s like a television – just because it’s on it doesn’t mean you have to watch the channel your on; you can change channels or just turn the thing off. Similarly with MPs we still can send letters or email your offices directly ourselves with our own messages or just simply fail to engage with our Parliament at all. Maybe this is what Mr Pound would prefer; a docile, accepting nation?It behooves Mr Pound also to not insult the intelligence of the electorate that form letters are not routinely used by MPs for a number of mundane communications with their constituents. If would be logical to extend such behaviour to emails and those initiating the contact would expect it at a minimum recognition of receipt of their opinion. I’m happy to say my MP actually took the time to organise a postal response to my email, albeit quite clearly a from letter with a pp’d signature. I wonder what response Mr Pound organised for his petitioners.

    MPs represent their constituents concerns and wishes – it is not the place of an MP to criticise how his the people choose to communicate with them via the channels provided. If Mr Pound does not wish to take the wishes of the people he represents seriously because it comes in a carbon copy email then that’s his choice – he’ll find out how well received that attitude is at the next election.

  • Anonymous

    If this is the attitude our MPs adopt when the people they are supposed to represent bring an issue to their attention, then we have a serious problem. Would the situation be any different if these emails were all unique? No. The same result would be desired by those sending them. Differences in wording are not a requirement for people to express how they feel on a subject. If anything, identical emails should allow the MP to see the sort of numbers involved in a single issue without hassle. Would it be difficult to post a statement in response?

    I suggest Stephen Pound takes the time to come to terms with the nature of his job – representing people in a democracy. If he doesn’t like the way this currently handled, then it is his responsibility to implement a system which allows people to express their views without the need to be part of a mass-email campaign.

  • Anonymous

    Well
    let’s hope that your electorate reads your uneducated and contemptuous reply,
    and that your meal ticket doesn’t last past the next election and that they do the sensible thing by putting you in the dole queue where you
    and your kind of MP belongs !

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=676477391 Paul Stygal

    Whenever I have responded to a 38 Degrees call, I have also informed my MP in the email that he may reply by email – this way, the work generated by all the automated emails you receive, could be diminished by an automated reply to all the email addresses. I believe 38 Degrees have got it right because the ends justifies the means and if normally apathetic people can object to an issue by the simple click of a button, you will get a truer picture of the thoughts of the electorate. As you mentioned earlier, the proposed sale of the ancient woodlands was suddenly halted when the government found out the tremendous opposition to this, which may not have happened but for 38 Degrees. As to the choice of campaigns, 38 Degrees have requested ideas for new campaigns on their Facebook page, so although a busy MP might not be able to see this, it is done democratically! 

  • Anonymous

    Similarly, I always get timely and honest replies back from Sir George Young, although I dont always agree with his views, he is a very hard working politician who I believe does his best for the country

  • Anonymous

    As usual with email and the internet, there is a danger that subtle differences of meaning can easily be lost, complex issues compressed to the point of distortion and many will rapidly resort to argumentum ad hominum rather than reason.

    The Hon. MP is merely stating his views and in doing so is being uncharacteristically honest about the mail handling procedures of public figures. If we want true democracy preserved then we ought to phone, email or write to our MP’s ourselves but all of us are busy and organisations like 38 Degrees (to which I belong), serve a useful purpose. I always alter the preformatted email before sending it to my MP so that it reflects my own views as well as the bare bones of the 38 Degrees message.

    The important thing is that people exercise their right to express their views to the elected representatives and that those representatives heed those views in so far as neither the benefit of the majority oppresses, nor becomes enslaved by, the minority

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7SJARHPDJISO7X33ILHUYHLIWQ JohnC

    oh no,
    mps made to listen to their constituents !
    where will it end ?

    MAYBE IN DEMOCRACY !!!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/whowantsacrapusername Steve Wells

    disagree, it doesnt really matter how young people choose to engage, the fact is they cared enough to tick a box and go through the process in the first place.  Labour and other policitians have to realise they are in a electronic age and information is diseminated far quicker than the days of writing to your MP getting a response, writing back etc etc the process took ages.  Even 100 identical e-mails shows the MP people care.

    38 degrees chooses it’s campaigns by vote, a democratic vote usually on facebook. If no-one cares it doesnt go forward.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=553876027 Diana Stirling

    George Hollingbery knows he will never get my vote because he is in the wrong party, and I  told him so in my first e-mail, but he still sends me a respectful reply when I write to him as part of a 38 degrees campaign and he tells me what he thinks and how he is likely to vote. I take part in the democratic decision making about the next campaign and when the subject chosen is one that I think less important I don’t bother my MP with an e-mail because he respects me so I respect him and the calls on his time. This is what I call democracy…..if Stephen Pound wants to get rid of it his constituents can draw their own conclusions

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=724773618 Jill Mordaunt

    I have been a Labour Party member for over 40 years in which I despite lots of contact with MPs I have felt mostly powerless to prevent the silly mistakes of Callaghan, Kinnock, Blair and Brown, in particular the way in which Blair ignored the massive protests over the Iraq War and threw his lot in with Bush. Since the advent of 38 degrees I have felt for the first time that my voice matters – their campaigns have been successful and are clearly changing minds in government. The ability to raise money for newspaper adverts also makes me feel that for the first time my voice is being heard on a number of issues that I have helped the organisation identify. I am sorry that Stephen Pound finds it troubling to have to take account of views of his constituents. My (Tory) MP has replied assiduously and with courtesy even though he rarely agrees with me. Three cheers for 38 Degrees I say.

  • Anonymous

    I think it is about time that MPs bacame delegates instead of representatives, then we would see democracy working as it should!

  • Anonymous

    I think it is about time that MPs became delegates instead of representatives, then we would have true democracy! The present system is too dependent on MPs own agendas and beliefs.

  • Anonymous

    I have been a Labour Party member for over 40 years in which I despite lots of contact with MPs I have felt mostly powerless to prevent the silly mistakes of Callaghan, Kinnock, Blair and Brown, in particular the way in which Blair ignored the massive protests over the Iraq War and threw his lot in with Bush. Since the advent of 38 degrees I have felt for the first time that my voice matters – their campaigns have been successful and are clearly changing minds in government. The ability to raise money for newspaper adverts also makes me feel that for the first time my voice is being heard on a number of issues that I have helped the organisation identify. I am sorry that Stephen Pound finds it troubling to have to take account of views of his constituents. My (Tory) MP has replied assiduously and with courtesy even though he rarely agrees with me. Three cheers for 38 Degrees I say.

  • Anonymous

    Not juvenile. Politicitions and politics has become juvenile. 38 degree is a mature way of contact ,How else is someone to give ones say? In this day, it is very difficult to actually speak to the person you want. You can not speak to your Bank manager anymore, One phones the no. and is put through to someone in India, who can not speak English and has no idea what you are trying to say.(Wasted money and totally non productive)) The same with many organisations, including your M.P. 38 degrees allows people to voice their opinion, takes onboard those that listen, by those in authority, hopefully. The whole political and local council system has broken down. Cutting back on “helping their own” then allowing £200.000 + on road improvements that are totally unnecceassry, because one will lose their “grant for next year”. Why is it that 52 million within the public money, was able to pay out to the needy in Africa? And we are still in Dept. I really don’t go against the help, because those people desparetly need our help and rightly so, I’ve given. Don’t think, we as a Country, if are so in debt, look after your own first, and the rest will follow.

  • Anonymous

    ‘many an honest MP who opens each and every one of his or her emails gets profoundly fed-up of writing back to people who have elected to tick a box and dispatch a pre-digested message’.

    Hang on for a moment mate … how did your MP happen to get to parliament? Surely it wasn’t by electors reading a pre-digested message and then ticking a box was it?

  • Anonymous

    God forbid that Stephen Pound should actually have to listen to the voters.
    Perhaps someone remind that him that he was voted in to represent the views of the people, he is paid by us to do exactly that.

    If he is unhappy with this he should resign taking with him all the like minded MP’s of all the parties

  • Anonymous

    God forbid that Stephen Pound should actually have to listen to the voters.
    Perhaps someone remind that him that he was voted in to represent the views of the people, he is paid by us to do exactly that.

    If he is unhappy with this he should resign taking with him all the like minded MP’s of all the parties

  • Anonymous

    A hundred emails in an in box enables an MP to stand up in parliament re a particular issue and say that he/she has received 100 emails regarding the matter etc.  Not a waste of time at all.  Also 38 degrees is way more than standardised emails.  There are the petitions and advertsing campaigns all funded by donations from the public to a partcular campaign.  We want MPs and the govt to know how we feel regarding various issues!   I would also like to add that it seems to me that 38 Degrees operates in a far more democratic way than our govt.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Stephen-Harvey/560545560 Stephen Harvey

    Funny, didn’t he get his position precisely by people 
                             “simply ticking a box and sending an indiscriminate message”
    How exactly would he suggest that people hold their MP’s to account? or would he rather we didn’t, just tick a box for the least detestable propaganda machine once every five years and then do as we’re told until the next time round.

    As for his contention that there exists “many an honest MP”, I can only assume he is referring to the one for Narnia south and the guy from the easter bunny liberation party.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Stuart-Moore/1049246735 Stuart Moore

    Multi national corporations spend tens of millions of pounds each year lobbying or funding the Tory party
    Whereas 38 degrees represents actual genuine people and not tax dodging corporations.

    Whereas 38 Degrees provides a voice for the unheard man or woman in the street, the Tory party is nothing more than the political wing of big business

    As to the moaning MP bleating about all the emails he gets, I expect his unpaid intern answers them anyway.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/James-Sherburn/100001027472149 James Sherburn

    Dear Stephen Pound MP, …so the emails are generic and we’re all just ticking boxes and clicking on send, but, it is how many people have bothered to do this that is important, just as one ticks a box and posts a vote during an election.
    Personally I will be perfectly happy with a generic reply by email especially if it states that ‘due to large number of emails received etc..’
    I have begun to include in my emails, ‘Please do not waste your time and paper in your reply’, but this seems not to have been read, unsurprisingly. Perhaps 38 Degrees could make this point as a standard part of our ‘making our views known’ process.
    Sincerely, James Sherburn.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Adam-Ford/1078617629 Adam Ford

    If you’re suggesting that each MP is getting 100 emails about each campaign that 38 degrees runs, then surely you should realiase that that means there is a hugh amount of public support for them.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Gray/1360280218 Russell Gray

    He obviously doesn’t like working for his keep, nor answering to his voters. My MP Sharon Hodges answered everything and gave wholehearted support, very constructive letter too.

    There really is only one answer for this man Stephen Pound MP – make him an EX by not providing him with a vote – enure that he is told – by email!!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Gray/1360280218 Russell Gray

    38 Degrees – double like for your comment – he needs to know he’s in the black book though, because he has certainly upset people on here and deserves everything he gets back. If it wasn’t for your lead…he (and his like) would be out of work!
    Anyway – keep up the fantastic work!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Gray/1360280218 Russell Gray

    Tolerance01 – although you are being very well meaning, and should be respected for that intention, I think you know in your heart when a person is being totally arrogant…and that’s me giving him the benefit of doubt too! 

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Gray/1360280218 Russell Gray

    Like it Steve – and so true!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Gray/1360280218 Russell Gray

    Guest – hey, what a great idea!

  • Anonymous

    I suppose a lot of people all standing outside Parliament wearing similar clothes or holding up the same banners should be just as deserving of your misplaced criticism.   Isn’t it fun to consider how you so loathe the concept of the “tick-box” when a cross in a box (rather than individually written letters of support) is what put you where you are?

    For ages it has been so easy for MPs to just stroll on doing what they want to do, beset only by the issues that fully literate people with time on their hands ever care to raise.  Now the boot is on the other foot and you don’t like it.  Boo hoo.  Unfortunately for you, you have a duty to respond to everybody who contacts you, whether they are all saying the same thing or not.  And if you bothered to read the messages that you actually got, you might find that although many have the same subject line, many are tailored by the people who write them to address specific concerns within the wider point that is being raised.  

    “However, all is not as well as might seem and I suggest that democracy and citizen engagement with Parliament are actually diminished rather than enhanced by 38 Degrees.”  Congratulations on managing to encapsulate, in a single sentence, just how monumentally out of touch you are.  Also, well done on nearly making it suitable for Twitter.  142 characters.  Not bad for an obvious imbecile.

  • Anonymous

    I dont think Mp,s have been doing their job, the reason 38 Degrees is support so well is that it addresses the most important issues as a priority and the effect is timely. The Lib Dems for example are supporting a coilition that acts completely opposite to the wishes (85%) of the electorate, their obstinate actions to privatise and destroy the fundamental legal position of government to provide universal healthcare, shows that parliamentary democracy has become a sham and extra parliamentry action is now essential. without 38 Degrees and similar campaigns/orgs the public voice would go unheared, so more appropriate response should be to express our thanks to them and I would say the same about Avaaz and UKUncut

  • Anonymous

    So Stephen Pound thinks he is perfectly justified to complain about automated emails and patronise voters depite the fact that the party he stands for in parliament also uses the same system for its campaigns.

  • Anonymous

    38 Degrees stopped the privatisation of forests. They gave me the opportunity to contact my MP on this issue and that to me is important. So often communicating with our elected representatives is too difficult – so we don’t do it. That our MPs know what we the electors think on issues cannot be bad for democracy. 

    Maybe MPs have had it too easy in the past – only having to communicate on issues in election campaigns or with those who can find the time to visit their surgeries or write snail mail letters. Now if MPs get 100s of emails they know that issue is important to those who elect them and they should welcome that, to do the right thing and if they do they may well get re-elected.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000914588511 Ally Burrell

    38 Degrees is extremely democratic and all actions and follow up actions are decided by the public who choose to get involved.

    I also find the tone of this article offensive. As an MP it is your job to serve the electorate and respond to their concerns whether you find this task irritating and repetetive or not. As a public servant that’s just the way it is. As an ex-teacher I found marking 30 sets of books with the same work boring and irritating but I still had to mark them and write individual comments. If you don’t like it, resign as an MP!

  • Anonymous

    I think Stephen Pound is a Labour MP – but they’re all the same anyway - I don’t suppose the multinationals stop lobbying just because the Government changes.  I had a look at a dictionary and the definition of democracy was: “government by the people; a form of government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them or by their elected agents under a free electoral system.

    Blimey, I thought it was government by BIG BUSINESS, in which the supreme power is vested in BIG BUSINESS and exercised directly by them or their agents (elected by the people of course, to make them think that they have a say!) 
     
    Thank goodness fror 38 Degrees!

  • Anonymous

    I think Stephen Pound is a Labour MP – but they’re all the same anyway – look at Blair and his cronies – even Brown – I don’t suppose the multinationals stopped lobbying just because the Government changed.  I had a look at a dictionary and the definition of democracy was: “government by the people; a form of government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them or by their elected agents under a free electoral system.  Blimey, I thought it was government by big business, in whichh the supreme power is vested in big business and exercised directly by them or their agents (elected by the people of course, to make them think that they have a say!) 
     
    Thank goodness fror 38 Degrees!

  • Paul Shorrock

    The only reason that most of us use a medium like 38 degrees is because we believe that our elected representatives, having won their seat, will pay no further heed to the concerns of the people who elected them.
    Remember, Stephen Pound, you do not rule us!  You are the servant, not us, and you do well to remember that – especially in four years time when we have our say at an election – until then, 38 degrees is the only way we can express our views.

  • Anonymous

    Would Mr Pound prefer that the population simply ticked their voting slip at election time and left him to it. Or is the alternative to go to London to meet him face to face or to take time out of thei work, family and volunteering  to write a personalised letter to him? 38 degrees offers an alternative method of engaging in politics which, quite frankly is going to become the way forward. Mr Pound had better get used to people engaging in this way as this is by far the most popular means of engagement and, given that young people today engage primarily via social networking, this method of engaing will decide in future who will be elected and who will not.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/David-Alan-Frederick-Mitchell/1528862179 David Alan Frederick Mitchell

    Dear Mr Pound – how will you know what we are thinking if we don’t tell you! If it’s a hassle dealing with all the correspondence get yourself another secretary.
    On the question of how 38 Degrees chooses its causes – they ask us what we would like them to concentrate on. By “us” I mean the people who you purport to represent.

  • Anonymous

    Via the 38 degrees website I had a lively debate on the subject of  Forestry sell off with my MP Robert Halfon. Contrary to the above opinion, I found it 38 Degrees a very useful facilitator for an interesting and valuable exchange of views with my MP. I thank Robert (even though I don’t agree with him) and I’m very glad he’s my MP, and not Stephen Pound.   

  • Anonymous

    I will write to my AM or my MP the reply I get will state the MP will reply within fourteen days your comments are noted, you never ever get a reply, then before an election you get a letter saying your have written to your MP x number of times, this we hope means we have done our jobs and we hope you will vote for the party,

    Nope no more.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=888525290 Boris Bollockov

    plebiscite…. charming

  • Anonymous

    They kindly fought for us - but got paid.   (They were obviously persuaded, at the time, by the huge amounts of pay available, compared to what they could ever earn in their own Country).  It was a difficult situation and decision for MPs, which maybe the parliment got wrong due to pressure from the media, who supposedly was speaking for the people, who it seems, are now quite racist and anti immigration to our Country!

    Ofcourse we are grateful, but in the same way, they are now grateful to have an open door for all the family and extended family to move to Britain. Can we keep doing this?  Do we offer this privilage  to anyone and everyone  who comes here, temporarily, on business, for example, who has been paid for the work and then,  ( they may also achieve great things for our Country in the process), allow them to stay AND bring all the family. We just do not have the resources, much as we would like to be that generous.  I get the impression that this is what the masses of our population believe. 

    My heart goes out to our own youth, for one, who are suffering totally unfair life-changing decisions, which are out of their control. Their chances of University, College, or just further education and even employment chances, have been taken from under the feet. We are creating a hugely divided society in many, many ways.

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